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  1. After reading your answers I think I can agree with you on pretty much everything there. I think working for free in a design studio just as work experience is quite valuable though especially for students. Good luck in the comp.

  2. Harry, I really like this post, because I think most of it could be applied to just about any field when starting out.

    (Just thinking of it from my own perspective as someone starting out as a blogger, and writer – in my mind I made the appropriate changes to the specifics, and the questions and answers still applied.)

    Brett Legree’s last blog post..rocks.

  3. Harry ()

    @Jacob: That’s what I was saying, if it’s an internship or apprenticeship program, that’s perfectly reasonable. You may be getting paid little to nothing, but the people you’re learning from are taking time from their busy work schedule to teach you the ropes with lessons you won’t learn in books.

    @Brett: Exactly. ;)

  4. Hey Harry. I’ve only read part one up to this point and wanted to make this note before I forget.

    You’re absolutely correct. There is a fundamental difference between a designer and someone who knows how to draw, create graphics, or build something. This is true in all areas of business:
    - a house builder does not equal a real estate investor who knows where profits lie
    - a web designer is quite different than a web coder
    - a computer programmer is not the same as a computer engineer

    On #4 there are lots of educational versions of programs out there that cost WAY less than normal versions. They typically have all the functions as well. If you go to school and can afford over-inflated torn up used books, you can afford $80 for Adobe educational version.

    On #8 – you most definitely have to start before you graduate. I’d like to add something a professor told me when I was in college (I have a computer degree). He told us that school only teaches you its curriculum. It doesn’t really teach you how to do everything you need to know in the real world. He urged us to spend extra time learning how to use different programs. How to use Unix. How to do things that accompany what you learn in school and you must use in the real world.

    Like you said, learn all you can before you hit the workforce. Don’t expect to walk out of school and know everything you need to know about your trade.

    John Hoff’s last blog post..The Dumbest Thing I’ve Ever Heard – You Don’t Learn From Your Successes

  5. Nez

    “13.2″

    :-)

    (Although I like how WordPress strips out the decimal in the permalink, so that it’s “132″

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  6. @ Harry – see, I *do* read for comprehension! :)

    (Miss Crabtree was wrong…)

    @ John – I had an engineering professor who encouraged us to become an “expert” in some kind of product – an expert in valves, fittings, or the like – just for fun. Do some extra learning, he said. I decided to learn about pneumatic actuation, and eventually electropneumatic actuation, as my “fun” area. It didn’t hurt that I was into paintball at the time. But every so often, someone asks me for advice at work in that area…

    Brett Legree’s last blog post..rocks.

  7. @Brett – I have no clue what those things are but it sound like . . . fun ;)
    I hear ya, though. And it’s good to be “useful” to people.

    John Hoff’s last blog post..The Dumbest Thing I’ve Ever Heard – You Don’t Learn From Your Successes

  8. @ John – if you know what a hydraulic cylinder is (say, on a bulldozer), then think about a very small one powered by air and used for automation in a factory, to move some part of a machine (for instance)… the main point of course :) being to agree with what you had said about continuous independent learning, during and after formal schooling.

    Brett Legree’s last blog post..rocks.

  9. Damn, I was actually feeling like I had a chance to contribute to a post, being a designer myself, but it looks like you covered most of the bases. A couple nuggets of advice would be:

    • If you can do an internship while still in school, jump at it even if it’s unpaid.
    • Typography skills are more important than Photoshop skills
    • The client will almost always ask you to make the logo bigger. Save yourself the pain and just do it.
    • Be sure you know how to properly justify your design to a client, and I don’t mean saying, “I just like those colors/fonts”.

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  10. Harry ()

    @Dave: good points! Internships were made for students, that’s the best time to do one. Ideally, you don’t have a “real” job yet, you have plenty of time and the internship is like an extended classroom.

    Typography more important that photoshop? Maybe, I really can’t say since I’ve never had any formal typographical training. I’m lucky enough to have a good eye for what goes together. But, I do remember typography being a part of the graphics curriculum at my school and it was a mandatory requirement for freshmen (I entered the university as a sophomore since I had already spent two years at a community college).

    Bigger logo…yes, I’ve run into this several times.

    And justifying your design? Very smart. That’s one tip I take for granted. It doesn’t help the client to understand why you did what you did if you just say “Because I like it and it’s pretty.” When something isn’t going to work in a design, I explain exactly why it won’t work and suggest an alternative. Most of the time it falls on deaf ears, but you can’t say the client wasn’t properly advised.

  11. @Harry – Admittedly, I did my internship under a master typographer and now that I spend a lot of my time with type, I realize that the nuances of typography are essential to great design, not that I’m a master typographer or a great designer, but every design job I’ve gotten in my life was usually secured by my type skills. Photoshop is easy in comparison.

    Dave Conrey’s last blog post..Seasonal Offerings That Set You Apart

  12. Harry ()

    @Dave: I think that goes for any specialty. Once you dig a little deeper into any aspect of design, writing or anything else for that matter, you begin to understand how best to use it.

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