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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/a-warm-welcome-or-a-burning-conflict-which-are-you-creating/comment-page-1#comment-376</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, It&#039;s about friggin&#039; ti-... Air Jordan, hm?  I like that... yes, yes indeed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, It&#8217;s about friggin&#8217; ti-&#8230; Air Jordan, hm?  I like that&#8230; yes, yes indeed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/a-warm-welcome-or-a-burning-conflict-which-are-you-creating/comment-page-1#comment-375</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 07:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James! I finally made it over here and your site looks grand!

Wanted to say thanks for the very kind mention in your post! It&#039;s much appreciated. Although, honestly it was pretty easy to give you a warm welcome having recognized your name. You&#039;re the Air Jordan of comments, don&#039;t you know.

I&#039;m actually a terrible person, so it looks like I got you fooled :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James! I finally made it over here and your site looks grand!</p>
<p>Wanted to say thanks for the very kind mention in your post! It&#8217;s much appreciated. Although, honestly it was pretty easy to give you a warm welcome having recognized your name. You&#8217;re the Air Jordan of comments, don&#8217;t you know.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually a terrible person, so it looks like I got you fooled <img src='http://menwithpens.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/a-warm-welcome-or-a-burning-conflict-which-are-you-creating/comment-page-1#comment-254</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Deb - We all do at times. I don&#039;t think any of us are immune to that. And yes, it always seems to happen on the days we can&#039;t be around. Like a full moon phenomena or something... and we writers do tend to profit from the fact we can get fully passionate without even opening our mouths :)  Public speakers can&#039;t say that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Deb &#8211; We all do at times. I don&#8217;t think any of us are immune to that. And yes, it always seems to happen on the days we can&#8217;t be around. Like a full moon phenomena or something&#8230; and we writers do tend to profit from the fact we can get fully passionate without even opening our mouths <img src='http://menwithpens.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Public speakers can&#8217;t say that!</p>
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		<title>By: Deb Ng</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/a-warm-welcome-or-a-burning-conflict-which-are-you-creating/comment-page-1#comment-253</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb Ng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn...my ears are buring. Or rather my eyes.

The whole comment moderation is a tricky one. You&#039;re damned if you do and damned if you don&#039;t. The day all hell broke loose, just happened to be a day I wasn&#039;t around, go figure.

I don&#039;t like to babysit adults, nor do I like to get to the point where people are uncomfortable commenting.  Hopefully my little reminder to be civil makes FWJ a better place. 

I do want to say this. My blog isn&#039;t a bad place, it never was. Some of the discussions are a little spirited, but honestly, it&#039;s filled with good, helpful people. Come by and ask for help and you&#039;ll get 100 bits of tips and advice - they&#039;re genuinely kind and helpful people, they just get a bit passionate. I think we get a bum rap sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn&#8230;my ears are buring. Or rather my eyes.</p>
<p>The whole comment moderation is a tricky one. You&#8217;re damned if you do and damned if you don&#8217;t. The day all hell broke loose, just happened to be a day I wasn&#8217;t around, go figure.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like to babysit adults, nor do I like to get to the point where people are uncomfortable commenting.  Hopefully my little reminder to be civil makes FWJ a better place. </p>
<p>I do want to say this. My blog isn&#8217;t a bad place, it never was. Some of the discussions are a little spirited, but honestly, it&#8217;s filled with good, helpful people. Come by and ask for help and you&#8217;ll get 100 bits of tips and advice &#8211; they&#8217;re genuinely kind and helpful people, they just get a bit passionate. I think we get a bum rap sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Conrey</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/a-warm-welcome-or-a-burning-conflict-which-are-you-creating/comment-page-1#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Conrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, after rereading that first paragraph of mine, I&#039;m horrified at how poorly it is written. I&#039;ll proofread better next time.

&lt;em&gt;Dave Conrey&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/BackfireBlog/~3/230442966/lack-of-vision-could-kill-your-business&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lack of Vision and Commitment Could Kill Your Business&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, after rereading that first paragraph of mine, I&#8217;m horrified at how poorly it is written. I&#8217;ll proofread better next time.</p>
<p><em>Dave Conrey&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/BackfireBlog/~3/230442966/lack-of-vision-could-kill-your-business' rel="nofollow">Lack of Vision and Commitment Could Kill Your Business</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Brett Legree</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Legree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I re-read your post a few times as well, and I don&#039;t see anything wrong with it at all.

It seems to say to me:
1. Welcoming blogs make you feel good and encourage participation
2. Some blogs have a community which is at times not welcoming
3. Deb&#039;s blog has great content and is cool
4. But sometimes the commentators are not cool
5. Which may scare off the new people
6. So Deb&#039;s asked everyone to try and change
7. So let&#039;s all think about what we are going to write, before we write it, so as not to negatively affect someone else&#039;s blog

Seemed pretty good to me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I re-read your post a few times as well, and I don&#8217;t see anything wrong with it at all.</p>
<p>It seems to say to me:<br />
1. Welcoming blogs make you feel good and encourage participation<br />
2. Some blogs have a community which is at times not welcoming<br />
3. Deb&#8217;s blog has great content and is cool<br />
4. But sometimes the commentators are not cool<br />
5. Which may scare off the new people<br />
6. So Deb&#8217;s asked everyone to try and change<br />
7. So let&#8217;s all think about what we are going to write, before we write it, so as not to negatively affect someone else&#8217;s blog</p>
<p>Seemed pretty good to me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Conrey</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/a-warm-welcome-or-a-burning-conflict-which-are-you-creating/comment-page-1#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Conrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rachel - I&#039;ll say that I partially agree with your point about pitying Deb. I think that she is marginally responsible for the content of comments because if Deb felt the comments were condescending or disrespectful, she could have nipped it with a simple comment to ask people to be cool.

However, I don&#039;t think James is being condescending at all. He&#039;s voicing a genuine concern for Deb&#039;s situation and &quot;disgust&quot; for what people will do when left alone to their own devices, one upping each other at every chance.

&lt;em&gt;Dave Conrey&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/BackfireBlog/~3/230442966/lack-of-vision-could-kill-your-business&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lack of Vision and Commitment Could Kill Your Business&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rachel &#8211; I&#8217;ll say that I partially agree with your point about pitying Deb. I think that she is marginally responsible for the content of comments because if Deb felt the comments were condescending or disrespectful, she could have nipped it with a simple comment to ask people to be cool.</p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t think James is being condescending at all. He&#8217;s voicing a genuine concern for Deb&#8217;s situation and &#8220;disgust&#8221; for what people will do when left alone to their own devices, one upping each other at every chance.</p>
<p><em>Dave Conrey&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/BackfireBlog/~3/230442966/lack-of-vision-could-kill-your-business' rel="nofollow">Lack of Vision and Commitment Could Kill Your Business</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/a-warm-welcome-or-a-burning-conflict-which-are-you-creating/comment-page-1#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Rachel - I&#039;m trying to see your side - I really am - but I&#039;m not getting it.

(Anyone else who thinks I&#039;m a shit for posting this, please chime in because I really do want to have your feedback.)

I&#039;ve reread the post four times today, and twice picking apart each paragraph.  At no point do I see anything that I&#039;ve written that might encourage we pity Deb. On the contrary, I clearly state that Deb&#039;s doing just fine on her own and that she&#039;s turned the situation around. I didn&#039;t pat her on the head at all. I wouldn&#039;t have done what she did and I said so - I think her way is better and commendable. Where&#039;s the pat on the head? She didn&#039;t need me and I know that.

But I do think that when a person is harming another - innocent - person&#039;s chance at work, that needs to be pointed out and stopped. That&#039;s not pity. That&#039;s reality.

As for a monopoly on courtesy, no, I don&#039;t have that. I&#039;ve frequently admitted here and elsewhere that I make mistakes and goof up. I&#039;ve admitted I have knee-jerk reactions just like the next guy and that I don&#039;t always keep my cool. I try; but I don&#039;t always make it. And I apologize when I screw up.

I don&#039;t know how to run a blog better than others. I know what works for me, here. I know what works in general. But each blog is different and we&#039;ve said recently just how different blogging communities can be - take knitters for example. They taught me a lesson, not the other way around.

But I do know people, social interaction and the way folk think. I study that and I make a point of observing and learning or trying different ways to achieve a result. I can tell you that a smile and open arms feels better than a dry comment - that&#039;s common sense, not Jamie&#039;s brilliance.

And I didn&#039;t post this up about *Deb*. You seem to think that this is about *Deb* and it isn&#039;t. It&#039;s about people. I didn&#039;t attack her blog or her methods or her content or her way of doing things. I attacked the bad behavior of others, because it is rude and wrong.

And if doing so puts me in a bad light? I&#039;ll gladly accept that. Many  times, no one speaks up against something they see that is wrong. &quot;Don&#039;t make waves.&quot; &quot;Just stay out of it.&quot; &quot;Keep quiet; it&#039;ll pass.&quot; &quot;Don&#039;t get involved.&quot;

I don&#039;t think that&#039;s right. So I&#039;d rather speak up and say that I&#039;ve seen a bunch of people - myself included, which I openly admitted on Deb&#039;s blog - behaving badly.  If, by doing so, I&#039;m conveying to people that I&#039;m a troublemaker, then so be it. 

So that&#039;s my good hard look at myself. If people think I&#039;m the bad guy for speaking up and speaking out against bullying, then I&#039;m the bad guy.

But at least I will sleep well at night know that I&#039;ve made the right moral choice for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rachel &#8211; I&#8217;m trying to see your side &#8211; I really am &#8211; but I&#8217;m not getting it.</p>
<p>(Anyone else who thinks I&#8217;m a shit for posting this, please chime in because I really do want to have your feedback.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve reread the post four times today, and twice picking apart each paragraph.  At no point do I see anything that I&#8217;ve written that might encourage we pity Deb. On the contrary, I clearly state that Deb&#8217;s doing just fine on her own and that she&#8217;s turned the situation around. I didn&#8217;t pat her on the head at all. I wouldn&#8217;t have done what she did and I said so &#8211; I think her way is better and commendable. Where&#8217;s the pat on the head? She didn&#8217;t need me and I know that.</p>
<p>But I do think that when a person is harming another &#8211; innocent &#8211; person&#8217;s chance at work, that needs to be pointed out and stopped. That&#8217;s not pity. That&#8217;s reality.</p>
<p>As for a monopoly on courtesy, no, I don&#8217;t have that. I&#8217;ve frequently admitted here and elsewhere that I make mistakes and goof up. I&#8217;ve admitted I have knee-jerk reactions just like the next guy and that I don&#8217;t always keep my cool. I try; but I don&#8217;t always make it. And I apologize when I screw up.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how to run a blog better than others. I know what works for me, here. I know what works in general. But each blog is different and we&#8217;ve said recently just how different blogging communities can be &#8211; take knitters for example. They taught me a lesson, not the other way around.</p>
<p>But I do know people, social interaction and the way folk think. I study that and I make a point of observing and learning or trying different ways to achieve a result. I can tell you that a smile and open arms feels better than a dry comment &#8211; that&#8217;s common sense, not Jamie&#8217;s brilliance.</p>
<p>And I didn&#8217;t post this up about *Deb*. You seem to think that this is about *Deb* and it isn&#8217;t. It&#8217;s about people. I didn&#8217;t attack her blog or her methods or her content or her way of doing things. I attacked the bad behavior of others, because it is rude and wrong.</p>
<p>And if doing so puts me in a bad light? I&#8217;ll gladly accept that. Many  times, no one speaks up against something they see that is wrong. &#8220;Don&#8217;t make waves.&#8221; &#8220;Just stay out of it.&#8221; &#8220;Keep quiet; it&#8217;ll pass.&#8221; &#8220;Don&#8217;t get involved.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s right. So I&#8217;d rather speak up and say that I&#8217;ve seen a bunch of people &#8211; myself included, which I openly admitted on Deb&#8217;s blog &#8211; behaving badly.  If, by doing so, I&#8217;m conveying to people that I&#8217;m a troublemaker, then so be it. </p>
<p>So that&#8217;s my good hard look at myself. If people think I&#8217;m the bad guy for speaking up and speaking out against bullying, then I&#8217;m the bad guy.</p>
<p>But at least I will sleep well at night know that I&#8217;ve made the right moral choice for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James--

It seems I&#039;m in the minority here, but I would really suggest you take a hard look at how you are portraying yourself.

You come across in this post as *very* condescending, even if you did not literally say you are better than anyone else. The implication is that you have a monopoly on courtesy, and that you know how to run someone else&#039;s blog better than that person does. 

Worse, the &quot;let&#039;s pity the poor blogger whose mean old commenters are costing her jobs&quot; angle is really uncalled for. And that is exactly how it comes across--pity, not empathy.

Maybe this isn&#039;t what you intended, but if you had posted something like this about ME? I&#039;d be livid. As it is, it&#039;s no more my job to jump to Deb&#039;s defense as it is your job to pity her, or to condescendingly pat her on the head. Because I&#039;m not her, and you&#039;re not her.

&lt;em&gt;Rachel&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://rkaufman.wordpress.com/2008/02/06/blogs-and-what-theyre-not/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Blogs (and what they?re not)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James&#8211;</p>
<p>It seems I&#8217;m in the minority here, but I would really suggest you take a hard look at how you are portraying yourself.</p>
<p>You come across in this post as *very* condescending, even if you did not literally say you are better than anyone else. The implication is that you have a monopoly on courtesy, and that you know how to run someone else&#8217;s blog better than that person does. </p>
<p>Worse, the &#8220;let&#8217;s pity the poor blogger whose mean old commenters are costing her jobs&#8221; angle is really uncalled for. And that is exactly how it comes across&#8211;pity, not empathy.</p>
<p>Maybe this isn&#8217;t what you intended, but if you had posted something like this about ME? I&#8217;d be livid. As it is, it&#8217;s no more my job to jump to Deb&#8217;s defense as it is your job to pity her, or to condescendingly pat her on the head. Because I&#8217;m not her, and you&#8217;re not her.</p>
<p><em>Rachel&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://rkaufman.wordpress.com/2008/02/06/blogs-and-what-theyre-not/' rel="nofollow">Blogs (and what they?re not)</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/a-warm-welcome-or-a-burning-conflict-which-are-you-creating/comment-page-1#comment-208</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ RLD - Agreed. That&#039;s very much the message I wanted to convey, and I&#039;m glad you see it that way as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ RLD &#8211; Agreed. That&#8217;s very much the message I wanted to convey, and I&#8217;m glad you see it that way as well.</p>
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