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		<title>By: Recommended reading for writers &#8211; February 2009 &#171; Write for Your Life</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/big-secrets/comment-page-1#comment-35038</link>
		<dc:creator>Recommended reading for writers &#8211; February 2009 &#171; Write for Your Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 11:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The big secrets no one talks about &#124; Men With Pens Thoughts on whether freelancers should be transparent about what they charge on their websites. Working full-time for a design company as I do, it doesn&#8217;t affect me as such, but I know it does many other writers and I found it interesting. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The big secrets no one talks about | Men With Pens Thoughts on whether freelancers should be transparent about what they charge on their websites. Working full-time for a design company as I do, it doesn&#8217;t affect me as such, but I know it does many other writers and I found it interesting. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Setting Your Rates &#38; Getting Paid &#124; The Writing Base</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/big-secrets/comment-page-1#comment-25747</link>
		<dc:creator>Setting Your Rates &#38; Getting Paid &#124; The Writing Base</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] also discuss The Big Secret No One Talks About. Yeah, you guessed it. Freelancer [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Iris Jumbe</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/big-secrets/comment-page-1#comment-25233</link>
		<dc:creator>Iris Jumbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t post my rates on my site either.  If I&#039;m honest, I do partially agree with most of your reasons why I do this - insecurity about competition and over- or underpricing.  

But, more than that, if someone has never outsourced a writing or editing project before, or used a freelancer, they probably have a misconception (in most, not all, cases) about how much it costs - as outsourcing might initially seem like the &quot;cheap&quot; option.  I like to know exactly what the project is and provide the client with a written outline/breakdown of what I&#039;ll deliver, how I&#039;ll deliver it and when I&#039;ll deliver alongside my rates.  Not just the rates by themselves - without context.

Nine times out of ten, that gets me the gigs.  Still working towards converting that to 10 out of 10.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Iris Jumbe&#180;s last blog post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.artonym.com/2009/03/11/send-scurrying-arms-competitors/&quot;&gt;How to send me scurrying your competitorsâ€™ arms&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t post my rates on my site either.  If I&#8217;m honest, I do partially agree with most of your reasons why I do this &#8211; insecurity about competition and over- or underpricing.  </p>
<p>But, more than that, if someone has never outsourced a writing or editing project before, or used a freelancer, they probably have a misconception (in most, not all, cases) about how much it costs &#8211; as outsourcing might initially seem like the &#8220;cheap&#8221; option.  I like to know exactly what the project is and provide the client with a written outline/breakdown of what I&#8217;ll deliver, how I&#8217;ll deliver it and when I&#8217;ll deliver alongside my rates.  Not just the rates by themselves &#8211; without context.</p>
<p>Nine times out of ten, that gets me the gigs.  Still working towards converting that to 10 out of 10.</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Iris Jumbe&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://www.artonym.com/2009/03/11/send-scurrying-arms-competitors/">How to send me scurrying your competitorsâ€™ arms</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Recommended reading for writers - February 2009 &#124; Write for Your Life</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/big-secrets/comment-page-1#comment-25190</link>
		<dc:creator>Recommended reading for writers - February 2009 &#124; Write for Your Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The big secrets no one talks about &#124; Men With Pens Thoughts on whether freelancers should be transparent about what they charge on their websites. Working full-time for a design company as I do, it doesn&#8217;t affect me as such, but I know it does many other writers and I found it interesting. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The big secrets no one talks about | Men With Pens Thoughts on whether freelancers should be transparent about what they charge on their websites. Working full-time for a design company as I do, it doesn&#8217;t affect me as such, but I know it does many other writers and I found it interesting. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Skaare</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/big-secrets/comment-page-1#comment-24791</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Skaare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cleverly written, well argued.  Thanks.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Richard Skaare&#180;s last blog post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/blogspot/UNRz/~3/536719564/preposterously-sensibleworkable.html&quot;&gt;A Preposterously Sensible,Workable Reorganization of Communication&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cleverly written, well argued.  Thanks.</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Richard Skaare&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/blogspot/UNRz/~3/536719564/preposterously-sensibleworkable.html">A Preposterously Sensible,Workable Reorganization of Communication</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Hump Day Reading for the Restless Soul</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/big-secrets/comment-page-1#comment-24660</link>
		<dc:creator>Hump Day Reading for the Restless Soul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Freelancers Aren&#8217;t as Green as They Think &#124; Men With Pens</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/big-secrets/comment-page-1#comment-24629</link>
		<dc:creator>Freelancers Aren&#8217;t as Green as They Think &#124; Men With Pens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the smallest effort to cut waste from your day and go greener can have huge impact on your comfort level and overall health. Email used to drive [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Omar</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/big-secrets/comment-page-1#comment-24627</link>
		<dc:creator>Omar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 04:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still relatively new to the freelance writing world. I don&#039;t want to under charge or over charge. But I do want to make a living. This is a great article. I need to focus on rates for future client projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still relatively new to the freelance writing world. I don&#8217;t want to under charge or over charge. But I do want to make a living. This is a great article. I need to focus on rates for future client projects.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Errey - The Confidence Guy</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/big-secrets/comment-page-1#comment-24626</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Errey - The Confidence Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 20:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Always intriguing how the whole &#039;money&#039; thing can bring people out in a cold sweat.

Even if you&#039;re confident in your service and know that you&#039;re bloody good, a huge number of people find it awkward to talk about money, rates or pricing.

This is about peers, as you point out, but it&#039;s about what judgements you fear they&#039;ll make about you as a result of your rate.  Sometimes, it&#039;s about what you expect people to judge you as - which, of course, is pretty much pure fiction.

I&#039;ve just realised that I don&#039;t have my rate on my site, simply because there&#039;s no logical place for it (which gives me a job to add to my list!), but it&#039;s Â£100 for 50 minutes.

There, I said it.  Judge me.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Steve Errey - The Confidence Guy&#180;s last blog post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://theconfidenceguyonline.com/2009/02/hero-inside-you/&quot;&gt;Is There a Hero Inside You?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always intriguing how the whole &#8216;money&#8217; thing can bring people out in a cold sweat.</p>
<p>Even if you&#8217;re confident in your service and know that you&#8217;re bloody good, a huge number of people find it awkward to talk about money, rates or pricing.</p>
<p>This is about peers, as you point out, but it&#8217;s about what judgements you fear they&#8217;ll make about you as a result of your rate.  Sometimes, it&#8217;s about what you expect people to judge you as &#8211; which, of course, is pretty much pure fiction.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just realised that I don&#8217;t have my rate on my site, simply because there&#8217;s no logical place for it (which gives me a job to add to my list!), but it&#8217;s Â£100 for 50 minutes.</p>
<p>There, I said it.  Judge me.</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Steve Errey &#8211; The Confidence Guy&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://theconfidenceguyonline.com/2009/02/hero-inside-you/">Is There a Hero Inside You?</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Chad Kettner - Sports Copywriter</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/big-secrets/comment-page-1#comment-24625</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Kettner - Sports Copywriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;By posting rates, I would basically be starting the conversation on price.&quot;

Actually Michael, I think posting your rates steers the conversation AWAY from your price. If they don&#039;t know what you charge, isn&#039;t that one of the their biggest questions when they approach you for work?

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Chad Kettner - Sports Copywriter&#180;s last blog post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://sportscopywriter.com/blog/uncategorized/which-2009-super-bowl-adsold-you.html&quot;&gt;Which 2009 Super Bowl Advertisement â€œSoldâ€ You?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;By posting rates, I would basically be starting the conversation on price.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually Michael, I think posting your rates steers the conversation AWAY from your price. If they don&#8217;t know what you charge, isn&#8217;t that one of the their biggest questions when they approach you for work?</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Chad Kettner &#8211; Sports Copywriter&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://sportscopywriter.com/blog/uncategorized/which-2009-super-bowl-adsold-you.html">Which 2009 Super Bowl Advertisement â€œSoldâ€ You?</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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