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		<title>By: Nic Lucas</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/branding-frank-kern/comment-page-2#comment-35884</link>
		<dc:creator>Nic Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 11:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just notified about this post again.  A few weeks agao I ran a launch in a non money making niche.  I followed the Mass Control 2.0 outline.  The launch was a huge success - many, many, many times the investment in the course.  

Some people spend more than 2K on a logo - I spent it on a system that helps people and makes money.  I have zero complaints.

Oh ... and I have never been given an opportunity to sell Franks stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just notified about this post again.  A few weeks agao I ran a launch in a non money making niche.  I followed the Mass Control 2.0 outline.  The launch was a huge success &#8211; many, many, many times the investment in the course.  </p>
<p>Some people spend more than 2K on a logo &#8211; I spent it on a system that helps people and makes money.  I have zero complaints.</p>
<p>Oh &#8230; and I have never been given an opportunity to sell Franks stuff.<br />
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/branding-frank-kern/comment-page-2#comment-35883</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 02:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of the branded scamming usually involves higher dollar amount products or services. Combined with a brand, the high cost of a product gives it credibility. If it&#039;s this expensive, it must be worth it. You have to open the book a little further to get the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of the branded scamming usually involves higher dollar amount products or services. Combined with a brand, the high cost of a product gives it credibility. If it&#8217;s this expensive, it must be worth it. You have to open the book a little further to get the truth.<br />
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		<title>By: What's your BrandWord? &#124; Men With Pens</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/branding-frank-kern/comment-page-2#comment-35325</link>
		<dc:creator>What's your BrandWord? &#124; Men With Pens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 05:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] preach not to be superficial, yet in business school, we&#8217;re taught the importance of brands and how to make customers expect the expected just by looking at a certain image, word or [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Crucial Secret to Great Marketing &#124; Men With Pens</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/branding-frank-kern/comment-page-2#comment-33826</link>
		<dc:creator>The Crucial Secret to Great Marketing &#124; Men With Pens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 05:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] say that good marketing depends on catchy headlines, great copy, and solid branding, and it does. They say that you need to find affiliates to promote your work so that you [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] say that good marketing depends on catchy headlines, great copy, and solid branding, and it does. They say that you need to find affiliates to promote your work so that you [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Zahran</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/branding-frank-kern/comment-page-2#comment-33221</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Zahran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 04:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a very interesting love/hate relationship with Frank Kern. I used to copywrite full-time for this publishing company where my boss absolutely ADORED Frank. Every time Frank released something new, the company would go crazy over the new course and we all would HAVE to study it.

Everytime Frank released something new, I would cringe. Why? Because he&#039;d release some &quot;million dollar email launch sequence and how you can use it too&quot; and then the company and all the project managers wants to &quot;swipe and roll it out&quot; across ALL projects.

As the copywriter in the company, I just knew that you can&#039;t apply Frank&#039;s &quot;swipe file&quot; and copy-paste-send formula to all myriad of personalities and clients we have. Yes, I did value the strategy Frank used. I could see the triggers Frank pushed. And how oh-so-casually he would push them buttons in an don&#039;t-you-know-I&#039;m-your-pal kind of way. For that, I love him. 

But I hated him for the way he makes marketing sound easy across the board of all topics with &quot;one strategy/one angle&quot; formula. I know why he does this though. Clearly, he&#039;s smart enough to know what internet marketers want to hear, and he knows that by giving internet marketers the image and the message and the &quot;easy tools&quot; they want to hear, that HE&#039;LL make bucket loads of money, but not necessarily the marketers who take his &quot;swipe and roll out&quot; advice. 

Smart? Undeniable. Ethical? It&#039;s cheap tact, for sure.

Thing is though, many people fall for him, as I observed my many project managers fall for him line, hook and sinker every single time. Only for them to wonder why the project didn&#039;t do as well as they had hoped (and then blame the copywriter... LOL!)

In my humble opinion, if you are going to study Frank, study how he does things and, most importantly, WHY he does things the way he does. Don&#039;t necessarily follow him for WHAT he says. Focusing on what he tells you to do (swipe his formula) will probably only work for you if your list of followers is exactly like his list of followers (i.e. internet marketers looking for a magic button).

Ah... Franky Frank Frank. Smart. Devious. Cunning. The rare person that falls into the category of internet marketing role models I admire, but don&#039;t aspire to be.
.-= Lisa Zahran&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://copyandcoffee.com/home/copyandcoffee/instantly-boost-your-email-open-rates/&quot;&gt;Cool Tool to Grab Attention &amp; Boost Email Open Rates&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a very interesting love/hate relationship with Frank Kern. I used to copywrite full-time for this publishing company where my boss absolutely ADORED Frank. Every time Frank released something new, the company would go crazy over the new course and we all would HAVE to study it.</p>
<p>Everytime Frank released something new, I would cringe. Why? Because he&#8217;d release some &#8220;million dollar email launch sequence and how you can use it too&#8221; and then the company and all the project managers wants to &#8220;swipe and roll it out&#8221; across ALL projects.</p>
<p>As the copywriter in the company, I just knew that you can&#8217;t apply Frank&#8217;s &#8220;swipe file&#8221; and copy-paste-send formula to all myriad of personalities and clients we have. Yes, I did value the strategy Frank used. I could see the triggers Frank pushed. And how oh-so-casually he would push them buttons in an don&#8217;t-you-know-I&#8217;m-your-pal kind of way. For that, I love him. </p>
<p>But I hated him for the way he makes marketing sound easy across the board of all topics with &#8220;one strategy/one angle&#8221; formula. I know why he does this though. Clearly, he&#8217;s smart enough to know what internet marketers want to hear, and he knows that by giving internet marketers the image and the message and the &#8220;easy tools&#8221; they want to hear, that HE&#8217;LL make bucket loads of money, but not necessarily the marketers who take his &#8220;swipe and roll out&#8221; advice. </p>
<p>Smart? Undeniable. Ethical? It&#8217;s cheap tact, for sure.</p>
<p>Thing is though, many people fall for him, as I observed my many project managers fall for him line, hook and sinker every single time. Only for them to wonder why the project didn&#8217;t do as well as they had hoped (and then blame the copywriter&#8230; LOL!)</p>
<p>In my humble opinion, if you are going to study Frank, study how he does things and, most importantly, WHY he does things the way he does. Don&#8217;t necessarily follow him for WHAT he says. Focusing on what he tells you to do (swipe his formula) will probably only work for you if your list of followers is exactly like his list of followers (i.e. internet marketers looking for a magic button).</p>
<p>Ah&#8230; Franky Frank Frank. Smart. Devious. Cunning. The rare person that falls into the category of internet marketing role models I admire, but don&#8217;t aspire to be.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Lisa Zahran&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://copyandcoffee.com/home/copyandcoffee/instantly-boost-your-email-open-rates/">Cool Tool to Grab Attention &amp; Boost Email Open Rates</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://menwithpens.ca/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Pedersen</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/branding-frank-kern/comment-page-2#comment-32935</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Pedersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked him from the start, though I just became aware of him 1½ years ago.

He is, like most people say, good at what he does.
And I love it because he doesn&#039;t try to sell something to you, but instead puts everything out there and gives alot away so that people themselves come to the decision of wanting to get his stuff.

I didn&#039;t have money last year, but he made me want the Mass Control 2.0 so badly that I bought it anyway. I didn&#039;t have a product and didn&#039;t take action on anything, so I emailed him a moonth and a half later and he gave me all the money back without anything hassle at all.
He is proberbly one of the most ethical marketing guys out there, though he might not have been all his life...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked him from the start, though I just became aware of him 1½ years ago.</p>
<p>He is, like most people say, good at what he does.<br />
And I love it because he doesn&#8217;t try to sell something to you, but instead puts everything out there and gives alot away so that people themselves come to the decision of wanting to get his stuff.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t have money last year, but he made me want the Mass Control 2.0 so badly that I bought it anyway. I didn&#8217;t have a product and didn&#8217;t take action on anything, so I emailed him a moonth and a half later and he gave me all the money back without anything hassle at all.<br />
He is proberbly one of the most ethical marketing guys out there, though he might not have been all his life&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: trevor</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/branding-frank-kern/comment-page-2#comment-31035</link>
		<dc:creator>trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I dunno.  The website this pointed to had all the pulling power/design of someone selling Herbal Magic or &quot;You can get paid just clicking on links!&quot;

It was ugly, basic, and full of these schlocky lines that would have a red flag &quot;bullshit&quot; warning to anyone with an ounce of critical thinking.

And this gem...&quot;How to ETHICALLY get inside the minds of your prospects and control their decisions&quot; Huh?  That&#039;s simply not possible. Anyone who really takes marketing seriously has likely already closed the page.

I tried to watch the video, out of sheer morbid curiousity, but the link was down.

Frank Kern is good news for the rest of us.  &quot;Look, you have two options.  You can use the &#039;Frank Kern&#039; style OR you can take a serious look at your customers as individuals and focus on serving them as people that like what  you sell.&quot;

I don&#039;t work in terms of &quot;love&quot; or &quot;hate&quot;.  Maybe I will watch the &quot;amazing new Frank Kern breakthrough that is guaranteed to save you TIME and MONEY!&quot;  

For now, though...thanks Frank,  but from what I&#039;ve seen...&quot;I&#039;m out.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I dunno.  The website this pointed to had all the pulling power/design of someone selling Herbal Magic or &#8220;You can get paid just clicking on links!&#8221;</p>
<p>It was ugly, basic, and full of these schlocky lines that would have a red flag &#8220;bullshit&#8221; warning to anyone with an ounce of critical thinking.</p>
<p>And this gem&#8230;&#8221;How to ETHICALLY get inside the minds of your prospects and control their decisions&#8221; Huh?  That&#8217;s simply not possible. Anyone who really takes marketing seriously has likely already closed the page.</p>
<p>I tried to watch the video, out of sheer morbid curiousity, but the link was down.</p>
<p>Frank Kern is good news for the rest of us.  &#8220;Look, you have two options.  You can use the &#8216;Frank Kern&#8217; style OR you can take a serious look at your customers as individuals and focus on serving them as people that like what  you sell.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t work in terms of &#8220;love&#8221; or &#8220;hate&#8221;.  Maybe I will watch the &#8220;amazing new Frank Kern breakthrough that is guaranteed to save you TIME and MONEY!&#8221;  </p>
<p>For now, though&#8230;thanks Frank,  but from what I&#8217;ve seen&#8230;&#8221;I&#8217;m out.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Lambe</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/branding-frank-kern/comment-page-2#comment-29172</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm Lambe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 11:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve done a complete 360 on Frank Kern. After reading &lt;a href=&quot;http://masscontrolsite.com/blog/?p=57&quot;&gt;this post on his blog&lt;/a&gt; and I&#039;ve publicly apologised to him. In fact he emailed me and gave me a copy gig. True. So now I&#039;m eating humble pie all over the shop. Check this out - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.warriorforum.com/copywriting-forum/129110-frank-kern-can-eat-my-shorts.html&quot;&gt;Frank Kern can eat my shorts&lt;/a&gt;
.-= Malcolm Lambe&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.welcometowallyworld.com/frank-kern-mass-control-or-mas/2009/9/23/frank-kern-on-his-2003-ftc-bust.html&quot;&gt;Frank Kern on his 2003 FTC Bust&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve done a complete 360 on Frank Kern. After reading <a href="http://masscontrolsite.com/blog/?p=57">this post on his blog</a> and I&#8217;ve publicly apologised to him. In fact he emailed me and gave me a copy gig. True. So now I&#8217;m eating humble pie all over the shop. Check this out &#8211; <a href="http://www.warriorforum.com/copywriting-forum/129110-frank-kern-can-eat-my-shorts.html">Frank Kern can eat my shorts</a><br />
<span class="cluv"> Malcolm Lambe&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.welcometowallyworld.com/frank-kern-mass-control-or-mas/2009/9/23/frank-kern-on-his-2003-ftc-bust.html">Frank Kern on his 2003 FTC Bust</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://menwithpens.ca/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Frank Kern. I feel he&#039;s genuine, relaxed, and confident.... and Yes he is a businessman who is out to make money. He&#039;s open about that far more than anyone else has ever had the balls to do.

My opinion is that all of IM is a game. Some win , some lose, and the ones who get suckered are generally the ones who were looking for something for nothing. The one&#039;s who win learned how to quit making excuses, and work their ass off.

Frank&#039;s good at what he does, and he&#039;s good at teaching it. Personally, I think people oughta get over themselves and be honest about the fact that they&#039;re out to make money too. He&#039;s just a whole lot better at than most. I can see where others may be jealous.

Lighten up people... don&#039;t be so serious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Frank Kern. I feel he&#8217;s genuine, relaxed, and confident&#8230;. and Yes he is a businessman who is out to make money. He&#8217;s open about that far more than anyone else has ever had the balls to do.</p>
<p>My opinion is that all of IM is a game. Some win , some lose, and the ones who get suckered are generally the ones who were looking for something for nothing. The one&#8217;s who win learned how to quit making excuses, and work their ass off.</p>
<p>Frank&#8217;s good at what he does, and he&#8217;s good at teaching it. Personally, I think people oughta get over themselves and be honest about the fact that they&#8217;re out to make money too. He&#8217;s just a whole lot better at than most. I can see where others may be jealous.</p>
<p>Lighten up people&#8230; don&#8217;t be so serious.</p>
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		<title>By: http://insideroutline.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>http://insideroutline.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank is great and I have read alot about him. His ideas are amazing!
.-= http://insideroutline.net&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://insideroutline.net&quot;&gt;Insider Outline Coming Soon&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank is great and I have read alot about him. His ideas are amazing!<br />
<span class="cluv"> <a href="http://insideroutline.net&#180;s" rel="nofollow">http://insideroutline.net&#180;s</a> last blog ..<a href="http://insideroutline.net">Insider Outline Coming Soon</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://menwithpens.ca/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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