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		<title>By: Joe Bulger</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/do-you-need-a-degree-to-be-a-professional/#comment-35244</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Bulger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Careful, lest you catch the &quot;professionals disease.&quot; That&#039;s where you spend your days posturing as the all-knowing expert and serve no worthy purpose.

A real professional are like athletes that show up on the field of performance each day ready to give his or her very best. It has nothing to do with credentials and everything to do with contribution.

Joe :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Careful, lest you catch the &#8220;professionals disease.&#8221; That&#8217;s where you spend your days posturing as the all-knowing expert and serve no worthy purpose.</p>
<p>A real professional are like athletes that show up on the field of performance each day ready to give his or her very best. It has nothing to do with credentials and everything to do with contribution.</p>
<p>Joe <img src='http://menwithpens.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dean Smith</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/do-you-need-a-degree-to-be-a-professional/#comment-33144</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The word&#039;s &quot;critical thinking&quot; comes to mind when I consider university graduates. This is the single aspect that separates in my experience, yes experience, the degree student from a equally as talented individual with life experience. I worked as a Manager (I am degree) for many years, the area was an entrance point into a global corporation. Our policy was to recruit young graduates and equally, a number of staff that would remain in the department. In essence the graduates were all critical thinkers, strong in their ability with their formal presentations, they were active researchers, and also had an air of confidence. It ended there though. The staff that were bright and committed did achieve, without or without a degree. Unfortunately today without that piece of paper opportunities are vastly reduced for early school leavers. Great topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word&#8217;s &#8220;critical thinking&#8221; comes to mind when I consider university graduates. This is the single aspect that separates in my experience, yes experience, the degree student from a equally as talented individual with life experience. I worked as a Manager (I am degree) for many years, the area was an entrance point into a global corporation. Our policy was to recruit young graduates and equally, a number of staff that would remain in the department. In essence the graduates were all critical thinkers, strong in their ability with their formal presentations, they were active researchers, and also had an air of confidence. It ended there though. The staff that were bright and committed did achieve, without or without a degree. Unfortunately today without that piece of paper opportunities are vastly reduced for early school leavers. Great topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandeep Bali</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/do-you-need-a-degree-to-be-a-professional/#comment-27535</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandeep Bali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So true.. I am an academic illiterate too and most of my school mates are still in final year of their degree while am working in top management in an mnc. There are some things which can&#039;t be taught in school... and there are some people who just know it already
.-= Sandeep Bali&#180;s last blog ..Speech Matters â€“ Learn to speak =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true.. I am an academic illiterate too and most of my school mates are still in final year of their degree while am working in top management in an mnc. There are some things which can&#8217;t be taught in school&#8230; and there are some people who just know it already<br />
.-= Sandeep Bali&#180;s last blog ..Speech Matters â€“ Learn to speak =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa Barton</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/do-you-need-a-degree-to-be-a-professional/#comment-2412</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa Barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think I agree that education and experience are interchangeable.  I know they&#039;re not in the field I&#039;m in graduate school for (yes, you can do fine with just experience, but I personally appreciate the theory you get in school as well--and as far as science goes, it&#039;s all but impossible to get into scientific fields without degrees today, and I think being involved in science makes me a better writer--both because I really understand the concepts and because I can avoid the sources who look &quot;cool&quot; to journalists but who are actually lousy scientists whose work doesn&#039;t hold up professionally).

And while I didn&#039;t major in journalism, the journalism classes I took in college focused on engaging style, how to write a hook, how to structure an article, interview techniques, and so on--writing well is far more than just grammar and punctuation (important as they are) and many journalism classes aren&#039;t primarily about understanding the newspaper industry (my science writing instructor was a freelancer with a background in broadcast and magazine freelancing, and we didn&#039;t talk about industry structure at all--we talked about techniques for presenting complex scientific concepts in a clear, accurate, and engaging manner.  Useful stuff).  Of course, that kind of thing can be at least partially picked up from books, and largely from continuing education classes.  But I do think there are some types of knowledge best picked up in a classroom setting, whether or not a degree is involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I agree that education and experience are interchangeable.  I know they&#8217;re not in the field I&#8217;m in graduate school for (yes, you can do fine with just experience, but I personally appreciate the theory you get in school as well&#8211;and as far as science goes, it&#8217;s all but impossible to get into scientific fields without degrees today, and I think being involved in science makes me a better writer&#8211;both because I really understand the concepts and because I can avoid the sources who look &#8220;cool&#8221; to journalists but who are actually lousy scientists whose work doesn&#8217;t hold up professionally).</p>
<p>And while I didn&#8217;t major in journalism, the journalism classes I took in college focused on engaging style, how to write a hook, how to structure an article, interview techniques, and so on&#8211;writing well is far more than just grammar and punctuation (important as they are) and many journalism classes aren&#8217;t primarily about understanding the newspaper industry (my science writing instructor was a freelancer with a background in broadcast and magazine freelancing, and we didn&#8217;t talk about industry structure at all&#8211;we talked about techniques for presenting complex scientific concepts in a clear, accurate, and engaging manner.  Useful stuff).  Of course, that kind of thing can be at least partially picked up from books, and largely from continuing education classes.  But I do think there are some types of knowledge best picked up in a classroom setting, whether or not a degree is involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Noelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Noelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asking for feedback in the professional world is excellent but you are more likely to receive feedback in an academic setting. Often it is hard for people to provide constructive feedback - sometimes they are too busy or they don&#039;t want to upset or offend the writer. Academia fosters more of a positive learning environment, IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asking for feedback in the professional world is excellent but you are more likely to receive feedback in an academic setting. Often it is hard for people to provide constructive feedback &#8211; sometimes they are too busy or they don&#8217;t want to upset or offend the writer. Academia fosters more of a positive learning environment, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 03:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Robin: I also see a lot of writing blogs with writers who can&#039;t write. I read through and wonder what their clients are thinking when they hire them.

To a certain extent, I agree about the feedback providing a foundation, but if the person who didn&#039;t have access to professors and a classroom setting was smart, he or she should ask for feedback from the professionals they do encounter. If I were that person, I&#039;d want to know why I didn&#039;t get the job and ask for an honest critique of the work. I&#039;d take those suggestions to heart and make improvements. It might take longer, but I would think it would eventually land me in the same place and give me the same foundation as the person with the degree, wouldn&#039;t you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robin: I also see a lot of writing blogs with writers who can&#8217;t write. I read through and wonder what their clients are thinking when they hire them.</p>
<p>To a certain extent, I agree about the feedback providing a foundation, but if the person who didn&#8217;t have access to professors and a classroom setting was smart, he or she should ask for feedback from the professionals they do encounter. If I were that person, I&#8217;d want to know why I didn&#8217;t get the job and ask for an honest critique of the work. I&#8217;d take those suggestions to heart and make improvements. It might take longer, but I would think it would eventually land me in the same place and give me the same foundation as the person with the degree, wouldn&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Noelle</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/do-you-need-a-degree-to-be-a-professional/#comment-2457</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Noelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The classroom discussions, the text books and the feedback from my professors gave me the foundation to be successful. If you put me against someone who doesn&#039;t have that at the beginning of our careers, then who will win the job? As any good builder knows, it&#039;s all about the foundation. :-)

Of course, experience counts the most but still, I say education counts for a lot too. I get really frustrated when I see ads for people who want 10 press releases for their site and want to pay $5-20 a pop for them. I get upset when I read posts about how a person doesn&#039;t need to pay for a PR person, because they can just write a release themselves. To be honest, even on all these writing boards, I see posts from people who clearly can&#039;t WRITE! You (meaning someone) can&#039;t just wake up one day and decide to be a writer and be GOOD any more than I can wake up tomorrow and decide I want to be a quantum physicist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The classroom discussions, the text books and the feedback from my professors gave me the foundation to be successful. If you put me against someone who doesn&#8217;t have that at the beginning of our careers, then who will win the job? As any good builder knows, it&#8217;s all about the foundation. <img src='http://menwithpens.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Of course, experience counts the most but still, I say education counts for a lot too. I get really frustrated when I see ads for people who want 10 press releases for their site and want to pay $5-20 a pop for them. I get upset when I read posts about how a person doesn&#8217;t need to pay for a PR person, because they can just write a release themselves. To be honest, even on all these writing boards, I see posts from people who clearly can&#8217;t WRITE! You (meaning someone) can&#8217;t just wake up one day and decide to be a writer and be GOOD any more than I can wake up tomorrow and decide I want to be a quantum physicist.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/do-you-need-a-degree-to-be-a-professional/#comment-2456</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amendment: Not *just* your classroom training.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amendment: Not *just* your classroom training.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ally - Really?  Where&#039;ve you found that? Toss me a link, would you? I&#039;ve seen everything under the sun so far, but not *just* writing.

Good point about the competition pool narrowing.

@ Robin - Yes, but your experience was what increased your knowledge - not your classroom textbook training ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ally &#8211; Really?  Where&#8217;ve you found that? Toss me a link, would you? I&#8217;ve seen everything under the sun so far, but not *just* writing.</p>
<p>Good point about the competition pool narrowing.</p>
<p>@ Robin &#8211; Yes, but your experience was what increased your knowledge &#8211; not your classroom textbook training <img src='http://menwithpens.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI James etc,

Love the discussion, but just wanted to note that there are indeed degrees &quot;in writing&quot;- Writing, alone, not creative writing, not english, not rhetoric, but plain old &quot;writing.&quot; I&#039;ve happened upon a couple lately. Not sure if it&#039;s new or what.

Best part of a BA? Being able to compete for those jobs that require one--- the applicant pool is significantly reduced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI James etc,</p>
<p>Love the discussion, but just wanted to note that there are indeed degrees &#8220;in writing&#8221;- Writing, alone, not creative writing, not english, not rhetoric, but plain old &#8220;writing.&#8221; I&#8217;ve happened upon a couple lately. Not sure if it&#8217;s new or what.</p>
<p>Best part of a BA? Being able to compete for those jobs that require one&#8212; the applicant pool is significantly reduced.</p>
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