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		<title>By: EntreCard: Managing Expectations &#124; The Blog of Rudy Amid</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/entrecard-impressions/#comment-23006</link>
		<dc:creator>EntreCard: Managing Expectations &#124; The Blog of Rudy Amid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of EntreCard (EC) in his site. The Comment King has always been skeptical about its usefulness and voiced his dislike about it since the beginning. I understand he has high standards. There are a few things he can&#8217;t sacrifice, and has set [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anthony Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/entrecard-impressions/#comment-2704</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I read Graham&#039;s and was about to reply, but James said everything I would have..

Except:  it IS a pyramid scheme.  And frankly, that&#039;s the benefit for people like Darren:  he&#039;ll get the most benefit from this type of promotion because he is at the top of the pyramid.

I&#039;d also make some argument that Darren isn&#039;t any paragon of good taste: he&#039;s promoted plenty of utter crap in the past and I&#039;m sure he&#039;ll do so again.  I don&#039;t think he&#039;s doing it out of raw avarice; I suspect rather that he just reports on the wide range of things bloggers of all types will use, from the picky to the indiscriminate.

And IMNSHO, Entrecard falls into the indiscriminate camp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I read Graham&#8217;s and was about to reply, but James said everything I would have..</p>
<p>Except:  it IS a pyramid scheme.  And frankly, that&#8217;s the benefit for people like Darren:  he&#8217;ll get the most benefit from this type of promotion because he is at the top of the pyramid.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also make some argument that Darren isn&#8217;t any paragon of good taste: he&#8217;s promoted plenty of utter crap in the past and I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;ll do so again.  I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s doing it out of raw avarice; I suspect rather that he just reports on the wide range of things bloggers of all types will use, from the picky to the indiscriminate.</p>
<p>And IMNSHO, Entrecard falls into the indiscriminate camp.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/entrecard-impressions/#comment-2707</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Graham, and thank you for coming over to comment. I appreciate your involvement and the chance to discuss the system, because I do think it could be a good one with a few revisions.

I agree that there isn&#039;t a pyramid scheme, but I do have to say that avid users of the system see their credit cost for advertising go up quickly, which puts them at the top of the list â€“ however, they&#039;re tiny blogs with little exposure for people to advertise. It&#039;s a little misleading, to say the least.

A-listers like Problogger and John Chow really don&#039;t do anything with Entrecard beyond using it to promote themselves with credit giveaways. Their ad slots are always full and people can&#039;t queue in to advertise, they don&#039;t advertise on other people&#039;s blogs (as far as I can see â€“ and they really don&#039;t have to, between you and me), so they simply put up the widget and let people go crazy trying to get a spot.

For chain-dropping, I&#039;ll quote the comment I left at Rudy&#039;s blog:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Since I wrote that quick review of my experience with Entrecard, Iâ€™ve dropped all activity there. Iâ€™m not dropping cards, Iâ€™m not accepting new ads, Iâ€™m not doing a thing. Iâ€™m getting hit up left, right and center by Entrecarders with blogs so bad that it isnâ€™t worth my trouble checking them out. Itâ€™s unfortunate that there isnâ€™t a filter for crap quality, because it means I donâ€™t even check my inbox to see who dropped a card anymore. (My apologies to all the good sites dropping cards that I havenâ€™t visited.)

The whole system is cheap. I feel used by bloggers, and I donâ€™t feel that dropping a card makes me feel professional or businesslike. Itâ€™s not worthy of my attention or time. I donâ€™t even see the worth of busting my ass to use the system to earn credits for the â€œhonorâ€ of a 24-hour ad on a big-name site. Iâ€™d rather save my integrity and pay for a premium spot.

Iâ€™m still getting hits to my site through it, despite the lack of activity. I can also see the potential value for very small blogs or those starting out, but there comes a point when these cheap tactics are better left behind.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
Chain dropping is the norm, Graham, not the exception, I&#039;m afraid.

The sense of cheap and silly does not come from Entrecard itself. That feeling of cheapness comes from the high level of abuse from chain-droppers and credit grabbers. As I&#039;ve mentioned, I feel there is good potential, but not until the abuse is addressed.

Also, it&#039;s impossible to use Problogger as an example of someone who doesn&#039;t feel it&#039;s cheap and silly â€“ Darren Rowse has no need to go trot about the blogosphere dropping cards to pick up credits to advertise on his blog. He&#039;s number 17 for a reason and was in that position before Entrecard came along.

I am surprised to hear that Entrecard isn&#039;t considered a traffic exchange program, because that&#039;s commonly what people seem to be using it for â€“ to gain traffic through advertising. I haven&#039;t really seen anyone using the other services you&#039;ve mentioned and my experience has been one of &quot;There&#039;s Jamie&#039;s blog! Let&#039;s grab a credit from him!&quot; Some bloggers, of course, are very respectful. Many are not.

It is the only network that allows you to advertise affordably on other blogs, yes. I&#039;ll grant you that â€“ despite the good blogs being all queued up and full that there probably isn&#039;t a hope in hell of ever advertising there to begin with.

I&#039;ll stress again, Graham â€“ the system is a good one with good potential, I believe. But there must be a way to curb the abuse going on or change the rules a bit so that we&#039;re not being exploited just for the credits we offer.

As for advertising, I deny almost all cards â€“ it&#039;s incredible to see how many people don&#039;t put the attention into creating a good virtual business card or who don&#039;t pay attention to the relevancy of advertising on our blog.

I do hope to hear your comments, Graham. Discussion between the people who use services and the people who offer them is productive and often leads to better things. I may be taking a hard stance, but that may only be because I had high hopes and feel disappointed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Graham, and thank you for coming over to comment. I appreciate your involvement and the chance to discuss the system, because I do think it could be a good one with a few revisions.</p>
<p>I agree that there isn&#8217;t a pyramid scheme, but I do have to say that avid users of the system see their credit cost for advertising go up quickly, which puts them at the top of the list â€“ however, they&#8217;re tiny blogs with little exposure for people to advertise. It&#8217;s a little misleading, to say the least.</p>
<p>A-listers like Problogger and John Chow really don&#8217;t do anything with Entrecard beyond using it to promote themselves with credit giveaways. Their ad slots are always full and people can&#8217;t queue in to advertise, they don&#8217;t advertise on other people&#8217;s blogs (as far as I can see â€“ and they really don&#8217;t have to, between you and me), so they simply put up the widget and let people go crazy trying to get a spot.</p>
<p>For chain-dropping, I&#8217;ll quote the comment I left at Rudy&#8217;s blog:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Since I wrote that quick review of my experience with Entrecard, Iâ€™ve dropped all activity there. Iâ€™m not dropping cards, Iâ€™m not accepting new ads, Iâ€™m not doing a thing. Iâ€™m getting hit up left, right and center by Entrecarders with blogs so bad that it isnâ€™t worth my trouble checking them out. Itâ€™s unfortunate that there isnâ€™t a filter for crap quality, because it means I donâ€™t even check my inbox to see who dropped a card anymore. (My apologies to all the good sites dropping cards that I havenâ€™t visited.)</p>
<p>The whole system is cheap. I feel used by bloggers, and I donâ€™t feel that dropping a card makes me feel professional or businesslike. Itâ€™s not worthy of my attention or time. I donâ€™t even see the worth of busting my ass to use the system to earn credits for the â€œhonorâ€ of a 24-hour ad on a big-name site. Iâ€™d rather save my integrity and pay for a premium spot.</p>
<p>Iâ€™m still getting hits to my site through it, despite the lack of activity. I can also see the potential value for very small blogs or those starting out, but there comes a point when these cheap tactics are better left behind.&#8221;</i><br />
Chain dropping is the norm, Graham, not the exception, I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
<p>The sense of cheap and silly does not come from Entrecard itself. That feeling of cheapness comes from the high level of abuse from chain-droppers and credit grabbers. As I&#8217;ve mentioned, I feel there is good potential, but not until the abuse is addressed.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s impossible to use Problogger as an example of someone who doesn&#8217;t feel it&#8217;s cheap and silly â€“ Darren Rowse has no need to go trot about the blogosphere dropping cards to pick up credits to advertise on his blog. He&#8217;s number 17 for a reason and was in that position before Entrecard came along.</p>
<p>I am surprised to hear that Entrecard isn&#8217;t considered a traffic exchange program, because that&#8217;s commonly what people seem to be using it for â€“ to gain traffic through advertising. I haven&#8217;t really seen anyone using the other services you&#8217;ve mentioned and my experience has been one of &#8220;There&#8217;s Jamie&#8217;s blog! Let&#8217;s grab a credit from him!&#8221; Some bloggers, of course, are very respectful. Many are not.</p>
<p>It is the only network that allows you to advertise affordably on other blogs, yes. I&#8217;ll grant you that â€“ despite the good blogs being all queued up and full that there probably isn&#8217;t a hope in hell of ever advertising there to begin with.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll stress again, Graham â€“ the system is a good one with good potential, I believe. But there must be a way to curb the abuse going on or change the rules a bit so that we&#8217;re not being exploited just for the credits we offer.</p>
<p>As for advertising, I deny almost all cards â€“ it&#8217;s incredible to see how many people don&#8217;t put the attention into creating a good virtual business card or who don&#8217;t pay attention to the relevancy of advertising on our blog.</p>
<p>I do hope to hear your comments, Graham. Discussion between the people who use services and the people who offer them is productive and often leads to better things. I may be taking a hard stance, but that may only be because I had high hopes and feel disappointed.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Langdon</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/entrecard-impressions/#comment-2706</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Langdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony Lawrence seems biased from the start. I&#039;d like to address a few things.

1.) Entrecard is NOT an MLM or Pyramid scheme. Members get NO referral commission or reward of any kind for promoting it and signing up other members. There is absolutely no pyramid or multi-level to speak of. Everyone in the system is treated exactly the same.

2.)Plenty of high quality blogs, such as ProBlogger and JohnChow have the widget on them. They&#039;ve had the widget for months and are quite happy with it.

3.) Not everyone chain drops and zips from one to the next quickly. It&#039;s way too black and white to assume that all the traffic you get is chain dropping traffic. It actually runs the whole gamut. Some of the traffic will stay, read a post or two, leave a comment, and move on. Some will just read a post. Some will just scan the blog quickly to see if anything interests them. Some will just drop a card and move on.

4.) Cheap and silly: ProBlogger doesn&#039;t feel its cheap and silly, and he&#039;s the number 17 blog in the world according to Technorati. We&#039;ve had discussions about this. In fact, it promotes the community by offering a small space on your blog. Entrecard a very community oriented social network, and if that&#039;s cheap and silly, then I would say the whole concept of blogging itself, or of facebook, is cheap and silly.

5.)Finally, the core service that Entrecard offers is NOT a traffic exchange, but in fact a social network. Take a look at mybloglog or blogcatalog, these services have been around for years. They have not worn off. We offer all the same social networking as these sites: forums, message systems, favorites, profiles, and more. We have a news feed to see what you&#039;re favorite bloggers are up to, including what they&#039;re selling in the shop, who they&#039;re buying ads on, what they&#039;re saying in the forum, and more to keep you well connected. But, suffice it to say that this is the only social network that also allows you to advertise for a day on nearly 4000 blogs and reach their audiences.

I suppose I am a bit biased in favor of the service, but what I have stated above is all truth and fact. It is not a pyramid scheme, it is a social network. Cheap and silly is a matter of opinion. Feel free to simply deny any bloggers who&#039;s card doesn&#039;t fit with your theme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony Lawrence seems biased from the start. I&#8217;d like to address a few things.</p>
<p>1.) Entrecard is NOT an MLM or Pyramid scheme. Members get NO referral commission or reward of any kind for promoting it and signing up other members. There is absolutely no pyramid or multi-level to speak of. Everyone in the system is treated exactly the same.</p>
<p>2.)Plenty of high quality blogs, such as ProBlogger and JohnChow have the widget on them. They&#8217;ve had the widget for months and are quite happy with it.</p>
<p>3.) Not everyone chain drops and zips from one to the next quickly. It&#8217;s way too black and white to assume that all the traffic you get is chain dropping traffic. It actually runs the whole gamut. Some of the traffic will stay, read a post or two, leave a comment, and move on. Some will just read a post. Some will just scan the blog quickly to see if anything interests them. Some will just drop a card and move on.</p>
<p>4.) Cheap and silly: ProBlogger doesn&#8217;t feel its cheap and silly, and he&#8217;s the number 17 blog in the world according to Technorati. We&#8217;ve had discussions about this. In fact, it promotes the community by offering a small space on your blog. Entrecard a very community oriented social network, and if that&#8217;s cheap and silly, then I would say the whole concept of blogging itself, or of facebook, is cheap and silly.</p>
<p>5.)Finally, the core service that Entrecard offers is NOT a traffic exchange, but in fact a social network. Take a look at mybloglog or blogcatalog, these services have been around for years. They have not worn off. We offer all the same social networking as these sites: forums, message systems, favorites, profiles, and more. We have a news feed to see what you&#8217;re favorite bloggers are up to, including what they&#8217;re selling in the shop, who they&#8217;re buying ads on, what they&#8217;re saying in the forum, and more to keep you well connected. But, suffice it to say that this is the only social network that also allows you to advertise for a day on nearly 4000 blogs and reach their audiences.</p>
<p>I suppose I am a bit biased in favor of the service, but what I have stated above is all truth and fact. It is not a pyramid scheme, it is a social network. Cheap and silly is a matter of opinion. Feel free to simply deny any bloggers who&#8217;s card doesn&#8217;t fit with your theme.</p>
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		<title>By: Is it time to drop EntreCard? &#124; The Blog of Rudy Amid</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/entrecard-impressions/#comment-2705</link>
		<dc:creator>Is it time to drop EntreCard? &#124; The Blog of Rudy Amid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and Patrick Altoft (with no fanfare) have dropped it. Now we have newcomers to the system, such as James Chartrand, already considering dropping out. When I first started using the system in late November 2007, the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and Patrick Altoft (with no fanfare) have dropped it. Now we have newcomers to the system, such as James Chartrand, already considering dropping out. When I first started using the system in late November 2007, the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/entrecard-impressions/#comment-2708</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 11:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing that hasn&#039;t had me ditch it is that the A-listers haven&#039;t dropped it yet. I&#039;m not a sheep, I don&#039;t follow the herd and do what they do, but I do observe like hell and seriously think over why they do or don&#039;t do things and how doing something might affect me.

I like to be an informed seat-of-the-pants flier.

@ Rebecca - Yes, I do see Entrecard as just another game. Also, Blogrush didn&#039;t even win me over for 1 hour. I think these gadgety types of affairs make blogs look cheap, honestly.

Hm. Well. I&#039;ll give it a week or so, I think. But so far, I&#039;m really not impressed and I&#039;m really leaning towards Tony&#039;s way of thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing that hasn&#8217;t had me ditch it is that the A-listers haven&#8217;t dropped it yet. I&#8217;m not a sheep, I don&#8217;t follow the herd and do what they do, but I do observe like hell and seriously think over why they do or don&#8217;t do things and how doing something might affect me.</p>
<p>I like to be an informed seat-of-the-pants flier.</p>
<p>@ Rebecca &#8211; Yes, I do see Entrecard as just another game. Also, Blogrush didn&#8217;t even win me over for 1 hour. I think these gadgety types of affairs make blogs look cheap, honestly.</p>
<p>Hm. Well. I&#8217;ll give it a week or so, I think. But so far, I&#8217;m really not impressed and I&#8217;m really leaning towards Tony&#8217;s way of thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca Laffar-Smith</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/entrecard-impressions/#comment-2721</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca Laffar-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 07:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Entrecard has given me a boost in traffic but the bouncerate is almost 100%. It could be good if you have pay-per-impression advertising but beyond that there doesn&#039;t seem to be much point. Still, I&#039;ve only had mine a week and I&#039;m enjoying the &#039;game&#039; aspect and discovering some new interesting sites. Much like blogrush I&#039;ll hold out to see how things go and ditch it when it&#039;s too tedious or eats too much server/load time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Entrecard has given me a boost in traffic but the bouncerate is almost 100%. It could be good if you have pay-per-impression advertising but beyond that there doesn&#8217;t seem to be much point. Still, I&#8217;ve only had mine a week and I&#8217;m enjoying the &#8216;game&#8217; aspect and discovering some new interesting sites. Much like blogrush I&#8217;ll hold out to see how things go and ditch it when it&#8217;s too tedious or eats too much server/load time.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/entrecard-impressions/#comment-2722</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 03:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Dave and Rudy on this one. I don&#039;t like a lot of the images other people choose for things like this. Many of them are downright fugly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Dave and Rudy on this one. I don&#8217;t like a lot of the images other people choose for things like this. Many of them are downright fugly.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Navarro - Million Dollar Leverage</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/entrecard-impressions/#comment-2723</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Navarro - Million Dollar Leverage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 03:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m from the camp that I want to control my brand image 100% ... and I&#039;m not comfortable having someone else&#039;s designs on my blog.

However, I&#039;m building my brand to sell my products, and that&#039;s not what every other blogger is doing.  I could see it being useful for other bloggers who aren&#039;t brand-building, though, in the same way bloggers who don&#039;t sell their own products use Adsense.

PS, Rudy - The A-List is likely dropping ads fot this exact reason, but just because the A-list does something doesn&#039;t matter - see here for why: http://www.copyblogger.com/blogging-a-list/ ... but since you put &quot;A-List&quot; in quotes, I&#039;d imagine we&#039;re on the same page :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m from the camp that I want to control my brand image 100% &#8230; and I&#8217;m not comfortable having someone else&#8217;s designs on my blog.</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m building my brand to sell my products, and that&#8217;s not what every other blogger is doing.  I could see it being useful for other bloggers who aren&#8217;t brand-building, though, in the same way bloggers who don&#8217;t sell their own products use Adsense.</p>
<p>PS, Rudy &#8211; The A-List is likely dropping ads fot this exact reason, but just because the A-list does something doesn&#8217;t matter &#8211; see here for why: <a href="http://www.copyblogger.com/blogging-a-list/" rel="nofollow">http://www.copyblogger.com/blogging-a-list/</a> &#8230; but since you put &#8220;A-List&#8221; in quotes, I&#8217;d imagine we&#8217;re on the same page <img src='http://cdn.menwithpens.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rudy</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/entrecard-impressions/#comment-2720</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 00:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trend among the &quot;A-List&quot; bloggers these days is to drop EntreCard from their sidebars.  The traffic from the chain droppers and the ugly ad designs are the main problems.

But as someone once commented: traffic is good.  Even if they&#039;re just &quot;dropping by&quot;.  You may still get a chance to convert them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trend among the &#8220;A-List&#8221; bloggers these days is to drop EntreCard from their sidebars.  The traffic from the chain droppers and the ugly ad designs are the main problems.</p>
<p>But as someone once commented: traffic is good.  Even if they&#8217;re just &#8220;dropping by&#8221;.  You may still get a chance to convert them.</p>
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