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		<title>By: Fiction Writing Character Flaws &#124; Men With Pens</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/fiction-writing-creating-plot/comment-page-1#comment-29967</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiction Writing Character Flaws &#124; Men With Pens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] How to create a believable character Day Two: How to create a setting for your story. Day Three: How to create plot Day Four: How to get serious and make money from fiction [...]</description>
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<p>[...] How to create a believable character Day Two: How to create a setting for your story. Day Three: How to create plot Day Four: How to get serious and make money from fiction [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/fiction-writing-creating-plot/comment-page-1#comment-29949</link>
		<dc:creator>Solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the series so much! I would like to try writing stories and fiction... it&#039;s a dream. I&#039;m curious to know more. 
Thanks
.-= Solomon&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://creativesolomon.blogspot.com/2009/08/headline-or-heartline.html&quot;&gt;HEADLINE or HEARTLINE?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the series so much! I would like to try writing stories and fiction&#8230; it&#8217;s a dream. I&#8217;m curious to know more.<br />
Thanks<br />
<span class="cluv"> Solomon&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://creativesolomon.blogspot.com/2009/08/headline-or-heartline.html">HEADLINE or HEARTLINE?</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://menwithpens.ca/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Adier_Twigg</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/fiction-writing-creating-plot/comment-page-1#comment-29940</link>
		<dc:creator>Adier_Twigg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aarrrrrgghh! I need more!


(And, apparently, an eyepatch...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aarrrrrgghh! I need more!</p>
<p>(And, apparently, an eyepatch&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Tei - Men with Pens</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/fiction-writing-creating-plot/comment-page-1#comment-29934</link>
		<dc:creator>Tei - Men with Pens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rose -

I think that doesn&#039;t go nearly far enough, because then you still have the problem of confusing plot and action. For example: Johnny went to the airport because he needed to get a flight to Ohio because his mother was dying. 

That&#039;s all causality, but it still doesn&#039;t give us a conflict. Does Johnny want to go see his mother because she&#039;s dying? Does he not want to? Is this his big goal or is this a stop along a bigger journey? 

Conflict is far more important than causality, in my opinion. Causality is simply logic. How can anything happen without a reason? It can&#039;t. But plot is the WHY of things happening, and it&#039;s actually entirely possible to do a novel&#039;s worth of causality without answering that question.
.-= Tei - Men with Pens&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MenWithPens/~3/F-03iAT_FLo/fiction-writing-creating-plot&quot;&gt;Special Fiction Writing Week: Creating a Plot&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rose -</p>
<p>I think that doesn&#8217;t go nearly far enough, because then you still have the problem of confusing plot and action. For example: Johnny went to the airport because he needed to get a flight to Ohio because his mother was dying. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s all causality, but it still doesn&#8217;t give us a conflict. Does Johnny want to go see his mother because she&#8217;s dying? Does he not want to? Is this his big goal or is this a stop along a bigger journey? </p>
<p>Conflict is far more important than causality, in my opinion. Causality is simply logic. How can anything happen without a reason? It can&#8217;t. But plot is the WHY of things happening, and it&#8217;s actually entirely possible to do a novel&#8217;s worth of causality without answering that question.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Tei &#8211; Men with Pens&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MenWithPens/~3/F-03iAT_FLo/fiction-writing-creating-plot">Special Fiction Writing Week: Creating a Plot</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://menwithpens.ca/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/fiction-writing-creating-plot/comment-page-1#comment-29933</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how every one of these articles (so far) has gone back to the foundational aspect of character.

Something I&#039;ve heard said is that the difference between having a plot and having a story is that in plot, you have causality. A story is &quot;this happened, then this happened, then this happened.&quot; Plot is &quot;this happened because this happened because this happened.&quot;

Is this a nitpicky distinction, d&#039;ya think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how every one of these articles (so far) has gone back to the foundational aspect of character.</p>
<p>Something I&#8217;ve heard said is that the difference between having a plot and having a story is that in plot, you have causality. A story is &#8220;this happened, then this happened, then this happened.&#8221; Plot is &#8220;this happened because this happened because this happened.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is this a nitpicky distinction, d&#8217;ya think?</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole Brunet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole Brunet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hooray for Pride &amp; Prejudice examples, and heaps of cheering for a day FULL of Lizzys!

Great post and perfect timing, for me at least. I&#039;m at the NaNovel point where I need to be asking myself these exact questions, and I didn&#039;t even KNOW it until I read this. Thanks, Tei!
.-= Nicole Brunet&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://serendipitousdesign.com/writing/nano-day-1/&quot;&gt;NaNo: Day #1&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hooray for Pride &amp; Prejudice examples, and heaps of cheering for a day FULL of Lizzys!</p>
<p>Great post and perfect timing, for me at least. I&#8217;m at the NaNovel point where I need to be asking myself these exact questions, and I didn&#8217;t even KNOW it until I read this. Thanks, Tei!<br />
<span class="cluv"> Nicole Brunet&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://serendipitousdesign.com/writing/nano-day-1/">NaNo: Day #1</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://menwithpens.ca/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/fiction-writing-creating-plot/comment-page-1#comment-29928</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Carole - I totally subscribe to the &quot;all action, no plot&quot; - probably why I work best in a group writing environment!

@ Mary - What?! Bump me off the stage? NEVER! *grabs spotlight* Mine! All mine!

@ Mary again - I actually have an answer to the question: I think many writers avoid putting their characters in conflict situations because they&#039;re afraid of hurting their characters. Bad, bad. Hurt your characters, people! Lots!

@ Lizzy - It was a pretty good example to use in the &quot;support the conclusion with your premises.&quot; I had a few lightbulb moments myself :)

@ Suzannah - In critical thinking, a premise is a supporting point to the conclusion. In novel writing, it&#039;s exactly the same. Doesn&#039;t support the conclusion? Out it goes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Carole &#8211; I totally subscribe to the &#8220;all action, no plot&#8221; &#8211; probably why I work best in a group writing environment!</p>
<p>@ Mary &#8211; What?! Bump me off the stage? NEVER! *grabs spotlight* Mine! All mine!</p>
<p>@ Mary again &#8211; I actually have an answer to the question: I think many writers avoid putting their characters in conflict situations because they&#8217;re afraid of hurting their characters. Bad, bad. Hurt your characters, people! Lots!</p>
<p>@ Lizzy &#8211; It was a pretty good example to use in the &#8220;support the conclusion with your premises.&#8221; I had a few lightbulb moments myself <img src='http://menwithpens.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@ Suzannah &#8211; In critical thinking, a premise is a supporting point to the conclusion. In novel writing, it&#8217;s exactly the same. Doesn&#8217;t support the conclusion? Out it goes!</p>
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		<title>By: Carole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent blog! I love your use of analogies to get your point across. Plot is something I constantly stress over. 

Is it exciting enough to hold the readers&#039; attention? Does it have the requisite enough twists and turns?

By paring it down to the basic premise as outlined here, it becomes much easier to stay on track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent blog! I love your use of analogies to get your point across. Plot is something I constantly stress over. </p>
<p>Is it exciting enough to hold the readers&#8217; attention? Does it have the requisite enough twists and turns?</p>
<p>By paring it down to the basic premise as outlined here, it becomes much easier to stay on track.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary E. Ulrich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary E. Ulrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Taylor, bump James off the stage. 

When the post comes to my email inbox, the author of the blog is not listed. My mistake.

Great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Taylor, bump James off the stage. </p>
<p>When the post comes to my email inbox, the author of the blog is not listed. My mistake.</p>
<p>Great post.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary E. Ulrich</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/fiction-writing-creating-plot/comment-page-1#comment-29923</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary E. Ulrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo James, stand up and take a bow!

I agree with Suzannah. All Nanowrimoites repeat after me, conflict, conflict conflict--plot, plot, plot.

In the romance genre, the only thing to add is the happily-ever-after.

I wonder if the reason writers (me included) have trouble writing conflicts into our stories is our own psychological aversion to conflict. We don&#039;t want conflict in OUR lives, so we don&#039;t want to put it into our characters lives. Humm, Dr. Freud, what would you say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo James, stand up and take a bow!</p>
<p>I agree with Suzannah. All Nanowrimoites repeat after me, conflict, conflict conflict&#8211;plot, plot, plot.</p>
<p>In the romance genre, the only thing to add is the happily-ever-after.</p>
<p>I wonder if the reason writers (me included) have trouble writing conflicts into our stories is our own psychological aversion to conflict. We don&#8217;t want conflict in OUR lives, so we don&#8217;t want to put it into our characters lives. Humm, Dr. Freud, what would you say?</p>
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