Comments on: Get Your Nose Out of The Air and Relax http://menwithpens.ca/get-your-nose-out-of-the-air-and-relax/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:42:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Guest Posting: Throwing It All Away » The Write Network http://menwithpens.ca/get-your-nose-out-of-the-air-and-relax/#comment-27447 Guest Posting: Throwing It All Away » The Write Network Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:14:24 +0000 http://menwithpens.ca/get-your-nose-out-of-the-air-and-relax#comment-27447 [...] if you want to guarantee that your guest posting attempts achieve low results, ramp up that arTEESTe attitude, create a self-fulfilling prophecy and give guest posting half a serious shot instead of a real [...] [...] if you want to guarantee that your guest posting attempts achieve low results, ramp up that arTEESTe attitude, create a self-fulfilling prophecy and give guest posting half a serious shot instead of a real [...]

]]> By: Guest Posting: Throwing It All Away | Men With Pens http://menwithpens.ca/get-your-nose-out-of-the-air-and-relax/#comment-14484 Guest Posting: Throwing It All Away | Men With Pens Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:39:12 +0000 http://menwithpens.ca/get-your-nose-out-of-the-air-and-relax#comment-14484 [...] if you want to guarantee that your guest posting attempts achieve low results, ramp up that arTEESTe attitude, create a self-fulfilling prophecy and give guest posting half a serious shot instead of a real [...] [...] if you want to guarantee that your guest posting attempts achieve low results, ramp up that arTEESTe attitude, create a self-fulfilling prophecy and give guest posting half a serious shot instead of a real [...]

]]> By: James http://menwithpens.ca/get-your-nose-out-of-the-air-and-relax/#comment-4388 James Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:35:11 +0000 http://menwithpens.ca/get-your-nose-out-of-the-air-and-relax#comment-4388 @ ChrowX - Having once been on the receiving end of flaming when people were overly rude, nasty and judgmental thanks to the anonymity and lack of consequences of their actions, I can wholeheartedly say that it does a LOT of damage. There were other ways to handle the situation or to debate the issue without creating a public stoning like Jonathan received. People need to be self-accountable for their words and actions - because they can be extremely hurtful. Situations like this one are unsettling no matter when, how or where they occur. They can also incur long-term damages. @ ChrowX – Having once been on the receiving end of flaming when people were overly rude, nasty and judgmental thanks to the anonymity and lack of consequences of their actions, I can wholeheartedly say that it does a LOT of damage.

There were other ways to handle the situation or to debate the issue without creating a public stoning like Jonathan received. People need to be self-accountable for their words and actions – because they can be extremely hurtful.

Situations like this one are unsettling no matter when, how or where they occur. They can also incur long-term damages.

]]> By: ChrowX http://menwithpens.ca/get-your-nose-out-of-the-air-and-relax/#comment-4387 ChrowX Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:30:14 +0000 http://menwithpens.ca/get-your-nose-out-of-the-air-and-relax#comment-4387 I never saw the contest, or heard of this. It was an interesting read, but I think you've touched on another subject accidentally. When it comes to the internet, Anonymity, or even just an alias to shield yourself with can turn the meek into the most brutal and nasty people around. It's a phenomenon that has been spreading faster and faster, because people believe that civility has no place on the internet and that, seeing as the internet is their domain, they have every right to be as mean and as nasty to outsiders who aren't part of their little posse. It's all quite annoying when you discover it on a message board, or randomly stumble into it on a website, but to find it infecting professional mediums is just unsettling. I never saw the contest, or heard of this. It was an interesting read, but I think you’ve touched on another subject accidentally. When it comes to the internet, Anonymity, or even just an alias to shield yourself with can turn the meek into the most brutal and nasty people around.

It’s a phenomenon that has been spreading faster and faster, because people believe that civility has no place on the internet and that, seeing as the internet is their domain, they have every right to be as mean and as nasty to outsiders who aren’t part of their little posse.

It’s all quite annoying when you discover it on a message board, or randomly stumble into it on a website, but to find it infecting professional mediums is just unsettling.

]]> By: James http://menwithpens.ca/get-your-nose-out-of-the-air-and-relax/#comment-3639 James Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:54:14 +0000 http://menwithpens.ca/get-your-nose-out-of-the-air-and-relax#comment-3639 @ Sue - I do too, and it's unacceptable. There are ways to convey your views without hurting people, and there are ways to be both kind, polite and diplomatic while doing so. @ TJ - I don't think it's null and void. Writers have to face spec work from time to time as well. I share your opinions and I think that there is a world of difference between spec and contest. And if you don't want to participate in a contest, then you don't. End of story. I wonder if any of the flamers ever entered a contest when they were kids? Betcha they did and didn't think twice. @ Sue – I do too, and it’s unacceptable. There are ways to convey your views without hurting people, and there are ways to be both kind, polite and diplomatic while doing so.

@ TJ – I don’t think it’s null and void. Writers have to face spec work from time to time as well. I share your opinions and I think that there is a world of difference between spec and contest. And if you don’t want to participate in a contest, then you don’t. End of story.

I wonder if any of the flamers ever entered a contest when they were kids? Betcha they did and didn’t think twice.

]]> By: tjwriter http://menwithpens.ca/get-your-nose-out-of-the-air-and-relax/#comment-3638 tjwriter Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:38:21 +0000 http://menwithpens.ca/get-your-nose-out-of-the-air-and-relax#comment-3638 I first heard about this here, and went over to FSW to read some of responses, where I was, to say the least, surprised by the response. You see, in my mind, spec work implies that this is for your livilihood. You are out actively seeking income to pay the bills and make a living. Doing all the work before you even know that it will make money doesn't make sense. A contest, on the other hand, is something you do in your free time. It's something you invest time, effort, or whatever for the pleasure of it. You don't try to make a living from it. Most creative contests require some kind of output to enter. Now, I am a writer, not a designer, and I've yet to start freelancing. I'm still in the studying phase, so my opinion may be null and void. <em>tjwriter's last blog post..<a href='http://tjwriter.wordpress.com/2008/03/09/oddness/' rel="nofollow">Oddness</a></em> I first heard about this here, and went over to FSW to read some of responses, where I was, to say the least, surprised by the response.

You see, in my mind, spec work implies that this is for your livilihood. You are out actively seeking income to pay the bills and make a living. Doing all the work before you even know that it will make money doesn’t make sense.

A contest, on the other hand, is something you do in your free time. It’s something you invest time, effort, or whatever for the pleasure of it. You don’t try to make a living from it. Most creative contests require some kind of output to enter.

Now, I am a writer, not a designer, and I’ve yet to start freelancing. I’m still in the studying phase, so my opinion may be null and void.

tjwriter’s last blog post..Oddness

]]> By: What being kicked through the air taught me about blogging - When your blog is attacked http://menwithpens.ca/get-your-nose-out-of-the-air-and-relax/#comment-3632 What being kicked through the air taught me about blogging - When your blog is attacked Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:58:30 +0000 http://menwithpens.ca/get-your-nose-out-of-the-air-and-relax#comment-3632 [...] a super post over at Men With Pens that discusses something quite similar.  The title is Get Your Nose Out of the Air and describes how one author started a contest for designing his book cover, but had to cancel [...] [...] a super post over at Men With Pens that discusses something quite similar.  The title is Get Your Nose Out of the Air and describes how one author started a contest for designing his book cover, but had to cancel [...]

]]> By: sue http://menwithpens.ca/get-your-nose-out-of-the-air-and-relax/#comment-3630 sue Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:36:53 +0000 http://menwithpens.ca/get-your-nose-out-of-the-air-and-relax#comment-3630 Glad you wrote this post it is sad that people react in that manner - it's also sad if they are professionals who can't tell the difference between a contest and spec work. Sometimes people abuse the right to spesk their mind by making personal attacks and I regard that as flaming. <em>sue's last blog post..<a href='http://writeforcash.squarespace.com/journal/2008/3/4/writing-forums-2.html' rel="nofollow">Writing Forums 2</a></em> Glad you wrote this post it is sad that people react in that manner – it’s also sad if they are professionals who can’t tell the difference between a contest and spec work. Sometimes people abuse the right to spesk their mind by making personal attacks and I regard that as flaming.

sue’s last blog post..Writing Forums 2

]]> By: David Bradley http://menwithpens.ca/get-your-nose-out-of-the-air-and-relax/#comment-3609 David Bradley Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:08:10 +0000 http://menwithpens.ca/get-your-nose-out-of-the-air-and-relax#comment-3609 For a short time the BBC's site was actually displaying a logo a la "goatse". Nasty. But, not quite as nasty as the logo they're using! db <em>David Bradley's last blog post..<a href='http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/lemon-battery.html' rel="nofollow">Lemon Battery</a></em> For a short time the BBC’s site was actually displaying a logo a la “goatse”. Nasty. But, not quite as nasty as the logo they’re using!

db

David Bradley’s last blog post..Lemon Battery

]]> By: James http://menwithpens.ca/get-your-nose-out-of-the-air-and-relax/#comment-3607 James Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:56:13 +0000 http://menwithpens.ca/get-your-nose-out-of-the-air-and-relax#comment-3607 @ David - Well, I dunno. It's a contest, isn't it? It's an exchange of time for a chance to win in its purest form. Some girl next to me started riding at the beginning of the summer in a casual way. She bought a good horse and went to have fun. She won a ribbon, too. So yes, the time investment really has nothing to do with anything. I'm still thinking about that Olympics logo. I wish I'd forgotten about it... @ Brett - Bingo. @ David – Well, I dunno. It’s a contest, isn’t it? It’s an exchange of time for a chance to win in its purest form.

Some girl next to me started riding at the beginning of the summer in a casual way. She bought a good horse and went to have fun. She won a ribbon, too. So yes, the time investment really has nothing to do with anything.

I’m still thinking about that Olympics logo. I wish I’d forgotten about it…

@ Brett – Bingo.

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