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		<title>By: Karen Swim</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/getting-distance/#comment-14636</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Swim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, thank you for this helpful advice. One of the things I love about fiction is the raw honesty. I can be authentic without offending. I started a memoir style piece and found it hard to write (risk of ticking off too many people) but fictionalized I could let honesty rip and take it a step further. The truth of fiction is both the beauty and the curse as you noted, and admittedly I have been stuck with what to write. Thank you for the encouragement to pick up the pen and get back in the fight.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Karen Swims last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/WordsForHire/~3/377081244/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Guest Post Today at Word Sell&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, thank you for this helpful advice. One of the things I love about fiction is the raw honesty. I can be authentic without offending. I started a memoir style piece and found it hard to write (risk of ticking off too many people) but fictionalized I could let honesty rip and take it a step further. The truth of fiction is both the beauty and the curse as you noted, and admittedly I have been stuck with what to write. Thank you for the encouragement to pick up the pen and get back in the fight.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Karen Swims last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/WordsForHire/~3/377081244/" rel="nofollow">Guest Post Today at Word Sell</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/getting-distance/#comment-14633</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Cath - People are people, and the way they become who they are is just situational based on choices they make. I think we can all relate to these choices - only we just choose differently - and that&#039;s what makes it easy to empathize. 

Good comment, by the way!

@ Alex - Oh, all right, stubborn... have it your way ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Cath &#8211; People are people, and the way they become who they are is just situational based on choices they make. I think we can all relate to these choices &#8211; only we just choose differently &#8211; and that&#8217;s what makes it easy to empathize. </p>
<p>Good comment, by the way!</p>
<p>@ Alex &#8211; Oh, all right, stubborn&#8230; have it your way <img src='http://menwithpens.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Cath Lawson</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/getting-distance/#comment-14630</link>
		<dc:creator>Cath Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James - it&#039;s difficult isn&#039;t it?  When the character is feeling depressed or miserable, it affects your own emotions too.

I am writing about a serial killer now.  I had to make him likeable, or he wouldn&#039;t be able to get away with all the murdering.  But now I&#039;m starting to like him and actually understand why he commited the murders and that is scary - I never thought I could empathise with a serial killer.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Cath Lawsons last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/SuccessPasscode/~3/381022428/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Paint A Picture Of Your Perfect Day&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James &#8211; it&#8217;s difficult isn&#8217;t it?  When the character is feeling depressed or miserable, it affects your own emotions too.</p>
<p>I am writing about a serial killer now.  I had to make him likeable, or he wouldn&#8217;t be able to get away with all the murdering.  But now I&#8217;m starting to like him and actually understand why he commited the murders and that is scary &#8211; I never thought I could empathise with a serial killer.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Cath Lawsons last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/SuccessPasscode/~3/381022428/" rel="nofollow">Paint A Picture Of Your Perfect Day</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Alex Fayle</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/getting-distance/#comment-14620</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Fayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite being a Professional Organizer (or perhaps I&#039;m a PO because of the way I am) I can be an incredibly disorganized person and when I get that way the world turns to chaos, and nothing gets done. 

To be creative, I need structure - the more structure, the more creative I become - it&#039;s like an inverse proportion thing. I get overwhelmed by details very easily because they all take on importance and I lose sight of where I am. So by outlining I end up writing in stages, first looking at one set of details - basic plot, then another set  - character motivations, then another... until all I have left to do is the writing and I can focus on the writing itself without distractions.

As I&#039;ve said above the story always changes along the way and I let it. I&#039;m not rigid in my outlines - in fact they are very fluid - I just redo each set of details when things change and I can get back to focusing on the words.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Alex Fayles last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://somedaysyndrome.com/2008/09/connecting-desires-with-actions-james-chartrand-interview/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Connecting Desires with Actions: James Chartrand Interview&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite being a Professional Organizer (or perhaps I&#8217;m a PO because of the way I am) I can be an incredibly disorganized person and when I get that way the world turns to chaos, and nothing gets done. </p>
<p>To be creative, I need structure &#8211; the more structure, the more creative I become &#8211; it&#8217;s like an inverse proportion thing. I get overwhelmed by details very easily because they all take on importance and I lose sight of where I am. So by outlining I end up writing in stages, first looking at one set of details &#8211; basic plot, then another set  &#8211; character motivations, then another&#8230; until all I have left to do is the writing and I can focus on the writing itself without distractions.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve said above the story always changes along the way and I let it. I&#8217;m not rigid in my outlines &#8211; in fact they are very fluid &#8211; I just redo each set of details when things change and I can get back to focusing on the words.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Alex Fayles last blog post..<a href="http://somedaysyndrome.com/2008/09/connecting-desires-with-actions-james-chartrand-interview/" rel="nofollow">Connecting Desires with Actions: James Chartrand Interview</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 02:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On outlines: I am the world&#039;s happiest thesis writer. I can outline my butt off and be in 7th heaven. I thought I&#039;d write everything out for my little side-project, too, and then just flesh out like I used to with theses, like I do now with client reports.

Then I saw the first scene in my head, so I thought, I&#039;ll just write that down and come back to outlining.

&lt;em&gt;Then the characters took over.&lt;/em&gt; They frighten me, in a good way. I don&#039;t outline my life (though it might help!) and they wouldn&#039;t let me outline theirs. I had a timeline for continuity, but instead of writing it in advance, I wrote down things as they &quot;happened&quot; so I could refer back and not mess up a later scene. I couldn&#039;t outlineâ€”I didn&#039;t know in advance!  :)  It was a remarkable experience.

I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anything wrong with outlining. Alex&#039;s characters let him do it, and he loves working that way. Seems like it frees him. That&#039;s what we all want for whatever kind of writing we do, isn&#039;t it?

Later,

Kelly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On outlines: I am the world&#8217;s happiest thesis writer. I can outline my butt off and be in 7th heaven. I thought I&#8217;d write everything out for my little side-project, too, and then just flesh out like I used to with theses, like I do now with client reports.</p>
<p>Then I saw the first scene in my head, so I thought, I&#8217;ll just write that down and come back to outlining.</p>
<p><em>Then the characters took over.</em> They frighten me, in a good way. I don&#8217;t outline my life (though it might help!) and they wouldn&#8217;t let me outline theirs. I had a timeline for continuity, but instead of writing it in advance, I wrote down things as they &#8220;happened&#8221; so I could refer back and not mess up a later scene. I couldn&#8217;t outlineâ€”I didn&#8217;t know in advance!  <img src='http://menwithpens.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   It was a remarkable experience.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s anything wrong with outlining. Alex&#8217;s characters let him do it, and he loves working that way. Seems like it frees him. That&#8217;s what we all want for whatever kind of writing we do, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Later,</p>
<p>Kelly</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Kanapaux</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/getting-distance/#comment-14594</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Kanapaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to interject on this outline thing. Some rather successful novelists and screenwriters thrive on outlines. Structure in and of itself is not a bad thing: Shakespeare wouldn&#039;t exist without it. Plot driven stories are not necessarily bad. I think you can have plot and structure and still do the deeper explorations of character that you originally recommend.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bill Kanapauxs last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/blogrivet/~3/380565700/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Danger? What danger?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to interject on this outline thing. Some rather successful novelists and screenwriters thrive on outlines. Structure in and of itself is not a bad thing: Shakespeare wouldn&#8217;t exist without it. Plot driven stories are not necessarily bad. I think you can have plot and structure and still do the deeper explorations of character that you originally recommend.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Bill Kanapauxs last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/blogrivet/~3/380565700/" rel="nofollow">Danger? What danger?</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/getting-distance/#comment-14586</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have wine on me, because yes, you are. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have wine on me, because yes, you are. <img src='http://menwithpens.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Urban Panther</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/getting-distance/#comment-14585</link>
		<dc:creator>Urban Panther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James - I&#039;m published?!!!!! Oh happy day!!!! I am taking the Lion out right now to celebrate!!!!!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Urban Panthers last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.urbanpantherslair.com/2008/09/i-dream.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I dream&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James &#8211; I&#8217;m published?!!!!! Oh happy day!!!! I am taking the Lion out right now to celebrate!!!!!</p>
<p><abbr><em>Urban Panthers last blog post..<a href="http://www.urbanpantherslair.com/2008/09/i-dream.html" rel="nofollow">I dream</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/getting-distance/#comment-14584</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Panther - Define published author.

I have no novel. I am a published author. I have no agent. And yet, I am a published author. This blog counts as published. My work on ER as well. Anything that is posted publicly is published. You too, are a published author. 

In fact, there&#039;s a post or three about that on this site... search on &quot;published author&quot; and I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll turn up.

As far as arTEESTe... um... sh. Just shush. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Panther &#8211; Define published author.</p>
<p>I have no novel. I am a published author. I have no agent. And yet, I am a published author. This blog counts as published. My work on ER as well. Anything that is posted publicly is published. You too, are a published author. </p>
<p>In fact, there&#8217;s a post or three about that on this site&#8230; search on &#8220;published author&#8221; and I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll turn up.</p>
<p>As far as arTEESTe&#8230; um&#8230; sh. Just shush. <img src='http://menwithpens.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Urban Panther</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/getting-distance/#comment-14583</link>
		<dc:creator>Urban Panther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James - re:   publication means very little. The success of the story in a reader&#039;s mind matters.  Okay,  now you are going all arTEEST on me. *smile* The success of the story IS in the reader&#039;s mind. I totally agree. But if you don&#039;t publish, then you don&#039;t have readers.  N&#039;est ce pas?

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Urban Panthers last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.urbanpantherslair.com/2008/09/i-dream.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I dream&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James &#8211; re:   publication means very little. The success of the story in a reader&#8217;s mind matters.  Okay,  now you are going all arTEEST on me. *smile* The success of the story IS in the reader&#8217;s mind. I totally agree. But if you don&#8217;t publish, then you don&#8217;t have readers.  N&#8217;est ce pas?</p>
<p><abbr><em>Urban Panthers last blog post..<a href="http://www.urbanpantherslair.com/2008/09/i-dream.html" rel="nofollow">I dream</a></em></abbr></p>
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