<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: How to Deal with Cranks, Flamers and Trolls</title>
	<atom:link href="http://menwithpens.ca/how-to-deal-with-cranks-flamers-and-trolls/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://menwithpens.ca/how-to-deal-with-cranks-flamers-and-trolls</link>
	<description>Copywriting, Web Design, WordPress Customization - Men with Pens</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:17:24 -0400</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/how-to-deal-with-cranks-flamers-and-trolls/comment-page-1#comment-30794</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://menwithpens.ca/?p=2274#comment-30794</guid>
		<description>@Nathan - It takes practice and a lot of talking to ourselves to stay cool. Not something that comes naturally or easily, based on human instincts.  But as they say, practice makes perfect!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nathan &#8211; It takes practice and a lot of talking to ourselves to stay cool. Not something that comes naturally or easily, based on human instincts.  But as they say, practice makes perfect!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Nathan Segal</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/how-to-deal-with-cranks-flamers-and-trolls/comment-page-1#comment-30697</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Segal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 04:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://menwithpens.ca/?p=2274#comment-30697</guid>
		<description>How I wish I used the cooling off period more. I got a nasty email this afternoon and instead of deleting it, responded. Now I have a nasty person on my hands, telling me that he&#039;s going to report me to my publisher for what  I said. Interestingly enough, I noticed his speed patterns and the way he responded were almost identical to a troll that I had commenting on one of my youtube posts. It almost seemed as if the same person was flaming me, but in a different guise. While it was useful, I wish I&#039;d followed the advice here. To get away, and if necessary, delete the email. 

As I&#039;ve discovered, some customers don&#039;t care about service. They only want to put you down.
.-= Nathan Segal&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.travelswithnathan.com/2009/11/26/worst-airline-experience-ever-air-canadas-respons/&quot;&gt;Worst Airline Experience Ever: Air Canada’s Response&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How I wish I used the cooling off period more. I got a nasty email this afternoon and instead of deleting it, responded. Now I have a nasty person on my hands, telling me that he&#8217;s going to report me to my publisher for what  I said. Interestingly enough, I noticed his speed patterns and the way he responded were almost identical to a troll that I had commenting on one of my youtube posts. It almost seemed as if the same person was flaming me, but in a different guise. While it was useful, I wish I&#8217;d followed the advice here. To get away, and if necessary, delete the email. </p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve discovered, some customers don&#8217;t care about service. They only want to put you down.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Nathan Segal&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.travelswithnathan.com/2009/11/26/worst-airline-experience-ever-air-canadas-respons/">Worst Airline Experience Ever: Air Canada’s Response</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://menwithpens.ca/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: kelly</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/how-to-deal-with-cranks-flamers-and-trolls/comment-page-1#comment-23972</link>
		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://menwithpens.ca/?p=2274#comment-23972</guid>
		<description>I think there&#039;s bound to be some nitwits around forums and blogs, but on the whole I find the net quite alright.

Once I rejected a guy because he was calling me &quot;honey&quot; and &quot;darling&quot; once too often.   I told him I wasn&#039;t and will never be on the internet looking for marriage because you don&#039;t marry someone after just one or two emails, or several phone calls.  The fact is, he doesn&#039;t understand that the ones who are eager to marry may do so for ulterior motives. 

He did not appreciate my honesty and he started stalking me to a free online text sms service and sent me nasty text messages.  I told him I KNOW WHO YOU ARE BUT YOU DON&#039;T SCARE ME.  IF THERE&#039;S ANYONE YOU&#039;RE LYING TO, IT&#039;S YOURSELF.  I then placed his bloody &quot;online dating profile&quot; in my blog for all to see so they know what sort of a person he was.

Usually guys are either intimidated or they are attracted by women who have control.   I never had any other problems. 

I&#039;ve never met any trolls YET, but if I do, I will ignore them.  Nothing gives me more pleasure than to make them realise they aren&#039;t worth my time nor response.  I am expecting trolls, because afterall - I do not support unethical corporations that create harmful food and say otherwise.  Eg.  some children&#039;s prescribed drugs still contain ingredients that are banned from tidbids and food.

Some people often forget that freedom of expression on the internet comes with responsibility.  And sometimes they learn the hard way that no one wants to speak with a trouble-maker or one who acts like a drug addict.

You really got me talking here!  Thank you very much for allowing the discussion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s bound to be some nitwits around forums and blogs, but on the whole I find the net quite alright.</p>
<p>Once I rejected a guy because he was calling me &#8220;honey&#8221; and &#8220;darling&#8221; once too often.   I told him I wasn&#8217;t and will never be on the internet looking for marriage because you don&#8217;t marry someone after just one or two emails, or several phone calls.  The fact is, he doesn&#8217;t understand that the ones who are eager to marry may do so for ulterior motives. </p>
<p>He did not appreciate my honesty and he started stalking me to a free online text sms service and sent me nasty text messages.  I told him I KNOW WHO YOU ARE BUT YOU DON&#8217;T SCARE ME.  IF THERE&#8217;S ANYONE YOU&#8217;RE LYING TO, IT&#8217;S YOURSELF.  I then placed his bloody &#8220;online dating profile&#8221; in my blog for all to see so they know what sort of a person he was.</p>
<p>Usually guys are either intimidated or they are attracted by women who have control.   I never had any other problems. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never met any trolls YET, but if I do, I will ignore them.  Nothing gives me more pleasure than to make them realise they aren&#8217;t worth my time nor response.  I am expecting trolls, because afterall &#8211; I do not support unethical corporations that create harmful food and say otherwise.  Eg.  some children&#8217;s prescribed drugs still contain ingredients that are banned from tidbids and food.</p>
<p>Some people often forget that freedom of expression on the internet comes with responsibility.  And sometimes they learn the hard way that no one wants to speak with a trouble-maker or one who acts like a drug addict.</p>
<p>You really got me talking here!  Thank you very much for allowing the discussion!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Precise Edit</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/how-to-deal-with-cranks-flamers-and-trolls/comment-page-1#comment-23807</link>
		<dc:creator>Precise Edit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://menwithpens.ca/?p=2274#comment-23807</guid>
		<description>We have, on occasion, pre-released chapters from our Precise Edit Training Manual, specifically looking for criticism. While most feedback is very positive, we will get a negative comment or two (sometimes very harsh negative comments). These negative comments have helped us refine and revise the chapters before they &quot;go live,&quot; resulting in a better final product. And it&#039;s free.

Thanks, criticizers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have, on occasion, pre-released chapters from our Precise Edit Training Manual, specifically looking for criticism. While most feedback is very positive, we will get a negative comment or two (sometimes very harsh negative comments). These negative comments have helped us refine and revise the chapters before they &#8220;go live,&#8221; resulting in a better final product. And it&#8217;s free.</p>
<p>Thanks, criticizers!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/how-to-deal-with-cranks-flamers-and-trolls/comment-page-1#comment-23803</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://menwithpens.ca/?p=2274#comment-23803</guid>
		<description>@ Burak - Heh, too funny: &quot;Here&#039;s the instructions on how to make a bomb, boys and girls. Should you do so and blow up your own arm, I had nothing to do with this!&quot; Mmhm!

I do agree that the potential for misuse is there. But we, for one (or two, or three, depending on how many Pen Men you count), would prefer to give the benefit of the doubt and respond to the majority, which are good, decent people, rather than address the minority and make everyone pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Burak &#8211; Heh, too funny: &#8220;Here&#8217;s the instructions on how to make a bomb, boys and girls. Should you do so and blow up your own arm, I had nothing to do with this!&#8221; Mmhm!</p>
<p>I do agree that the potential for misuse is there. But we, for one (or two, or three, depending on how many Pen Men you count), would prefer to give the benefit of the doubt and respond to the majority, which are good, decent people, rather than address the minority and make everyone pay.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Burak</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/how-to-deal-with-cranks-flamers-and-trolls/comment-page-1#comment-23802</link>
		<dc:creator>Burak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 20:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://menwithpens.ca/?p=2274#comment-23802</guid>
		<description>Great post James,

However I want to point to another security threat in blog comments, which exists in this blog as well.

Here&#039;s the trick. Bad guy wants to mess the reputation of a good guy up. He finds a third party popular blog post, enters the name and the website of the good guy in the comment form, and he leaves a messy but still acceptable comment there. The owner of the third party blog doesn&#039;t know the email address of the good guy, so he doesn&#039;t have any clue to verify the identity, and accepts the comment. A messy comment is published with the signature of the good guy.

That&#039;s why this type of comment forms are not safe and better be avoided. There are two solutions. Don&#039;t allow commenting but allow trackbacks. This is my favorite. At least the commentator has the full responsibility, since he leaves the comment in his own domain. The second solution: allow commenting to only registered users.

I hope this security flaw is addressed by blogging software like Wordpress soon, and all the bloggers take full caution.

PS: Please be good girls and good boys, and don&#039;t use this trick:)
PPS: I accept no responsibility of the use or misuse of this information.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Burak&#180;s last blog post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.distillerscorner.com/?p=122&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tools for Beginning Writers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post James,</p>
<p>However I want to point to another security threat in blog comments, which exists in this blog as well.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the trick. Bad guy wants to mess the reputation of a good guy up. He finds a third party popular blog post, enters the name and the website of the good guy in the comment form, and he leaves a messy but still acceptable comment there. The owner of the third party blog doesn&#8217;t know the email address of the good guy, so he doesn&#8217;t have any clue to verify the identity, and accepts the comment. A messy comment is published with the signature of the good guy.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why this type of comment forms are not safe and better be avoided. There are two solutions. Don&#8217;t allow commenting but allow trackbacks. This is my favorite. At least the commentator has the full responsibility, since he leaves the comment in his own domain. The second solution: allow commenting to only registered users.</p>
<p>I hope this security flaw is addressed by blogging software like Wordpress soon, and all the bloggers take full caution.</p>
<p>PS: Please be good girls and good boys, and don&#8217;t use this trick:)<br />
PPS: I accept no responsibility of the use or misuse of this information.</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Burak&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://www.distillerscorner.com/?p=122" rel="nofollow">Tools for Beginning Writers</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Hump Day Reading for the Restless Soul &#8212; Write From Home</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/how-to-deal-with-cranks-flamers-and-trolls/comment-page-1#comment-23777</link>
		<dc:creator>Hump Day Reading for the Restless Soul &#8212; Write From Home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://menwithpens.ca/?p=2274#comment-23777</guid>
		<description>[...] How to Deal with Cranks, Flamers and Trolls at Men with Pens [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="">
<p>[...] How to Deal with Cranks, Flamers and Trolls at Men with Pens [...]</p>
</div>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bill in Detroit</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/how-to-deal-with-cranks-flamers-and-trolls/comment-page-1#comment-23767</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill in Detroit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://menwithpens.ca/?p=2274#comment-23767</guid>
		<description>(So far) I only got one really nasty comment ALL CAPS AND IMPECCABLY REASONED AND I&#039;M MAN ENOUGH TO SAY SO!

I posted a link to an internet etiquette site in re caps &amp; shouting and then I told him that I would be willing to discuss the matter further when he had identified himself with his full name, as I had. (His post showed that he knew me IRL.) 

The person had insisted that he was &quot;man enough&quot; to call me down and I responded that he hadn&#039;t been man enough to sign his name. That was enough to end it.

Anything that adds to the discussion can stay on my blog. Anything that detracts from it gets spiked. I am the Decider.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bill in Detroit&#180;s last blog post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://nmwoodworks.com/life/murder/war/the-other-night-dear/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Other Night, Dear&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(So far) I only got one really nasty comment ALL CAPS AND IMPECCABLY REASONED AND I&#8217;M MAN ENOUGH TO SAY SO!</p>
<p>I posted a link to an internet etiquette site in re caps &amp; shouting and then I told him that I would be willing to discuss the matter further when he had identified himself with his full name, as I had. (His post showed that he knew me IRL.) </p>
<p>The person had insisted that he was &#8220;man enough&#8221; to call me down and I responded that he hadn&#8217;t been man enough to sign his name. That was enough to end it.</p>
<p>Anything that adds to the discussion can stay on my blog. Anything that detracts from it gets spiked. I am the Decider.</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Bill in Detroit&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://nmwoodworks.com/life/murder/war/the-other-night-dear/" rel="nofollow">The Other Night, Dear</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Robert "Butch" Greenawalt</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/how-to-deal-with-cranks-flamers-and-trolls/comment-page-1#comment-23757</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert "Butch" Greenawalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://menwithpens.ca/?p=2274#comment-23757</guid>
		<description>Very nice post as well as courteous comments from fans.  I wish I had read this an hour or so ago as I read a post concerning a paperback book about Pro bloggers. One of the comments immediately irritated me as he was attempting to justify the TCO with the cost of a paperback book? It wasn&#039;t my intention to be hurtful or discourteous it was my intention more or less to correct his terminology (he wrote TOC) and try try if only briefly to slip into his thought process. (I couldn&#039;t) With that being said and after reading this I will try to be a bit more patient and once again acknowledge how much I personally enjoy your work.

Cheers,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice post as well as courteous comments from fans.  I wish I had read this an hour or so ago as I read a post concerning a paperback book about Pro bloggers. One of the comments immediately irritated me as he was attempting to justify the TCO with the cost of a paperback book? It wasn&#8217;t my intention to be hurtful or discourteous it was my intention more or less to correct his terminology (he wrote TOC) and try try if only briefly to slip into his thought process. (I couldn&#8217;t) With that being said and after reading this I will try to be a bit more patient and once again acknowledge how much I personally enjoy your work.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Weekend Linkfest &#171; Scott Cheatham&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/how-to-deal-with-cranks-flamers-and-trolls/comment-page-1#comment-23706</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekend Linkfest &#171; Scott Cheatham&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 04:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://menwithpens.ca/?p=2274#comment-23706</guid>
		<description>[...] folks who write for &#8220;Men With Pens&#8221; (A writers blog) had a nice post this week on &#8220;How to Deal with Cranks, Flamers, and Trolls&#8221; regarding emails and our responses to them. Â This applies in so many areas but the key here is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="">
<p>[...] folks who write for &#8220;Men With Pens&#8221; (A writers blog) had a nice post this week on &#8220;How to Deal with Cranks, Flamers, and Trolls&#8221; regarding emails and our responses to them. Â This applies in so many areas but the key here is [...]</p>
</div>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
