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  1. My eyes – the goggles, they do nothing. :(

    Harry, did you have to post that… thing… as the post image?

    Hehe – I didn’t actually realise that was the London 2012 Olympics logo until I googled it while reading this post. It really makes the eyes bleed. If I look at it and then close my eyes I can still see it.

    But enough of that. I have a serious question.

    What’s the difference between a logo and a website banner? For example, does Men With Pens have an actual logo? I can see the site title in the banner, but is that a logo as well?

  2. Kelly says:

    Harry,

    I only read the article to make sure you were pointing out London 2012 as a bad example. Okay, not only, it is one of my favorite topics, but mostly. :)

    Faves: FedEx, amazon, Nike’s swoosh, the Playboy bunny. They each convey exactly what they’re supposed to, at any size, with utter simplicity and very little backstory needed.

    Hate: Oh, I’d better not get started!

    Regards,

    Kelly

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  3. The 2012 logo is certainly effective as a talking point. Massively controversial. I remember seeing the television ad slots which were used to launch the logo and I was horrified! In fact I think the original advert had complaints due to potential dangers for epileptics.

    …however. Great use of the logo Harry. You got my attention :)

    I like logos which carry subtle symbols (like the Fedex).

    Getting from concept to logo can be pretty tough. The logo I designed for TheWriteNetwork has the right concept, it just took ages to get complete. Hopefully some feedback from logo galleries may help :)

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  4. Up until now I haven’t needed a logo, but as I begin to expand the brand (like create a Facebook Someday Syndrome fan page) then I will need a logo. And of course you know I’ll pick! ;)

    (I’m just going to pretend that the London Olympics logo doesn’t exist)

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  5. Great article! That London 2012 logo… oy. “What were they thinking?” has become something of a cliche, but honestly, what *were* they thinking? I’d love to see the design brief that led to that logo.

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  6. John Lister says:

    You’ll never look at the Olympics 2012 logo the same way again once you realise it portrays Lisa Simpson engaged in an activity which is not currently an Olympic sport.

  7. Harry says:

    @Patrick: The logo and banner are two different things. You can have a banner without a logo, but you can’t have a logo without a banner on a website. The banner is the area in the code called the header. It’s the block of space at the very top of the page. Whether it’s straight text generated by the WP blog or an image, it’s always going to be there. Logos are an element unto themselves. You can use it in the banner, in sidebar ads, on business cards, etc.

    The Men with Pens logo would be the crumbling letters and the bullet.

    @Kelly: Oh yes, the London 2012 logo is my favorite example of a really bad logo.

    It’s hard for me to think of a favorite logo. It’s one of those things where I can’t remember the image unless it’s put into some kind of context, there’s just too many of them. Like in Saving Private Ryan when Ryan said he couldn’t remember what his brothers looked like and Tom Hanks told him to remember an event rather than just their faces.

    @Chung: A bad logo is just as memorable – but not in the way we want them to be, that’s for sure! It is tough going from concept to finished product, no doubt about that!

    @Alex: I know, I think we’ve all been traumatized by that logo ;)

    @Catherine: That was my initial response too.

    @John: You’re right, I won’t. In fact, I found a few spoofs of this logo that would be considered NSFW.

  8. Wait…those are supposed to be numbers? Not just randomly shaped pink blocks?

    Yeesh.

    When we really started our business at the beginning of this year, we had our designer redesign our logo. I had NO IDEA what all went into the logo creation process, but watching him work was fascinating. I learned a ton about design and logos just from that. I’ll never be a designer, but I have a much greater appreciation for the process now.

    @Kelly- Go on, what logos do you hate? :-)

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  9. I think Nike has an amazing logo for its simplicity as well as attractiveness.

    It simply enhances the look of their shoes. An ugly logo would do the opposite.

    Logos are extremely important, they are the symbol of the entire company and when the mind reflects on the company, that logo will probably surface too. It better be appealing.

    You’ve really outlined why a good logo can be so darn hard to create. Definitely something to keep in mind.

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  10. Kaushik says:

    I admire people who can design logos. It’s all about minimalistismness. See, I could never do it.

    Here’s a question: when is an online business ready for a paid logo? What’s a reasonable price for a logo?

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  11. Rose says:

    Is a logo different from a symbol?

    My first thought when you asked for favorite logos was the Bat-sign. One of the things that makes it so great in my mind is that it’s adaptable; you can find a different one for each movie, cartoon show, and live-action show, but you can almost always tell that it’s representing Batman. So is it a symbol or a logo? Or is a logo just a symbol used to make money? :P

  12. Harry says:

    @Michelle and @Bamboo: I think everyone should sit down with a designer and watch them work for a day if they have the opportunity. Many people don’t realize how much work and brain power goes into what designers do and it’s easy to overlook when all you’re seeing is the spectacular end result. I guess that goes for any profession, though. The pros always make it look easy ;)

    @Kaushik: Any time is a good time for a logo. Sometimes one evolves during the site creation process, other times it takes more thinking and evolves over time. Many people like to do both the site design and the logo at the same time and work the logo into the banner.

    As for price, that’s going to vary from designer to designer. They can start as low as $150 and go up from there depending on whether the designer has a flat rate or works by the hour.

    @Rose: Is that you, Miss Cat? Don’t deny it, Rose+Batman = Cat ;) . I think the Batman logo/symbol is what I was telling Kaushik above. I’d say it started out as a symbol and over time became a logo for the franchise.

  13. At least the London logo is getting this much attention that people taking time to discuss its hilariousness :P

    *wondering* : why would they do it as a publicity stunt !!!

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  14. James says:

    @ Rose – The Batman logo is indeed a logo and was created as such in 1939. A logo is, by its very definition, a symbol that represents something else – a brand, a company, a product, a service, a charity, you name it.

    For a better idea, you can read the Wikipedia definition of logo found here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logo

    @ Kaushik – A good, reputable logo designer often charges well above a thousand. David Airey and Jacob Cass would be two designers who specialize in logos.

    Just as in writing, because you write well does not a copywriter make and just as you can use Photoshop does not a logo designer make. Logo design takes an extensive amount of time and research, as well as smart thinking.

  15. Michele says:

    These are great guidelines for creating a logo! You definitely make us realize how much talent and effort goes into successful logos.

    Great job!

    *smiles*
    Michele

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  16. See that is what confuses me sometimes when trying to pick logos.

    Not all websites have logos and it is hard to pick sometimes.

    For example, I do not think Lawfully Green (my site) has a logo – it’s just wordpress generated text. Your current redesign of the site takes it a step further with more fancy text, but I wouldn’t necessarily class that as a logo, even though it fits the site like a glove.

    I do like the simplicity of tect based logos, they just leave me wondering whether they need “something more”.

  17. Hi! Thanks for sharing these guides. I especially agree @ Memorability. A good logo is something that the customers remember.
    Maybe I can apply them someday or once I have my own company. :D

  18. Amber says:

    Why would they modify the swastika for an Olympics logo????

  19. Kelly says:

    Michelle,

    If you want a good laugh while you’re hating logos, give this a try:

    http://www.artistmike.com/Bad-Logos/BadLogos.html

    Believe me, once you’ve read that article, you’ll at least know what to avoid.

    Harry,

    i could go on and on with faves, too. Silly ol’ brain never turns off!

    Until later,

    Kelly

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  20. Nick Thacker says:

    I like the post–don’t forget that some awesome logos aren’t necessarily designed with a “graphic,” but instead use unique/obscure fonts. I’ve created plenty of logos for my clients, and my best ones tend to be nothing more than just text in a cool-looking font!

    I look forward to reading more!

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  21. @Kelly- Wow. I’ve seen some of those before, but others are almost NSFW! Those little logo figures are frisky!

    I think that makes an argument for testing your logo by showing it to a teenager/young adult first. If they start giggling uncontrollably and making lewd remarks, your logo is unintentionally sexual and needs to be immediately revised.

    @Harry- I totally agree. Watching the logo design process was fascinating. I learned about the connotations that different fonts had, the connotations of different colors, and about a hundred other things that never, ever crossed my mind.

    Designers do a lot of hard work!

  22. Solomon says:

    Hi Harry,

    It’s good that you reminded how much work goes into making a Logo. Probably, clients could appreciate the work and pay them handsomely. Likewise, why not James write a post on “Baseline or punchline” which is an integral part of a Logo, and which enhances the meaning and complements it in many ways?
    I urge James to comeout with a good post on Baseline, which can be shown to clients and get some good pay for it. :)
    I appreciate Logos and the work goes into it, as I watch most of the designers struggle to come out with many.
    Good topic to discuss, and timely for many give a link to clients!
    Solomon

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  23. Really a successful logo will never go out of the mind of the people. Logos should be designed in such a way so that they can hold the image of a company forever. Frequent change of the logo of a company is not at all desirable. It is after constant display of the logo, it gets registered in the mind of the people. Hence a design has to be chosen that will not become outdated.

  24. Dennis Cover says:

    It’s a good checklist, Harry. I agree with Nick Thacker, that you should also pay attention to text-based logos. The trend of simplicity made them very popular in recent two or three years. In Web 2.0 era many startup names are synthetic words. Therefore, many of them made their logos by just playing with fonts, colors and Web 2.0 effects like reflections, glossy, etc ….

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  25. The more simple and memorable a logo is, the better. Of course spending a significant amount of time on designing a company logo is essential, but over-thinking can thwart your creative juices.

    Also, it is important that when someone sees your logo for the first time, they are able to get some sense of what the company is about — right away.

    That 2012 London Olympics logo is quite the eye-bleeder, but on the other hand, when someone sees it for the first time (and they don’t realize those brightly-colored shapes are actually numbers), they will most likely recognize the 5 interlocking rings…and consequently, they’ll do a web search trying to figure out what the logo is for. So from a marketing perspective…it’s not too shabby for driving commentary buzz…kinda like what we’re all doing now”

  26. The logo is a little too 80’s for me. It’s all a bit strange as previous logos have always had an element of symbolism in them, yet this one doesn’t seem to. A case for Dan Brown maybe? :)
    Ellanore

  27. aero says:

    Yes, I also feel a critical problem to find my blogs logo. I thought many hours but failed to discover a one perfect logo for my blog.
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  28. I like the idea of timeless… I mean if you think of the best logos of all times… they will still be using the same logo in 100 years time.
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