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		<title>By: Chamber Notes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chamber Notes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 32 Links to build your blogging knowledge &#171; The Pugnacious Irishman</title>
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		<dc:creator>32 Links to build your blogging knowledge &#171; The Pugnacious Irishman</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Carolyn - The &quot;your perspective/my perspective&quot; issue is one that I&#039;m currently struggling with myself. That, my friend, is a mess of snakes, and learning to truly be able to accept that someone else&#039;s perspective isn&#039;t mine - and I  mean TRULY - is difficult. Most people, I think, just don&#039;t get it or can&#039;t. 

The hang-up thing? Hehehe I did that once. Three times. I sat there whistling and hanging up until finally the person stopped snarking (and calling back). It felt great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Carolyn &#8211; The &#8220;your perspective/my perspective&#8221; issue is one that I&#8217;m currently struggling with myself. That, my friend, is a mess of snakes, and learning to truly be able to accept that someone else&#8217;s perspective isn&#8217;t mine &#8211; and I  mean TRULY &#8211; is difficult. Most people, I think, just don&#8217;t get it or can&#8217;t. </p>
<p>The hang-up thing? Hehehe I did that once. Three times. I sat there whistling and hanging up until finally the person stopped snarking (and calling back). It felt great.</p>
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		<title>By: Janice C Cartier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janice C Cartier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Carolyn- Applause. Applause.  Brava!!! Love this story. Thanks.

&lt;em&gt;Janice C Cartier&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/cartier/paintings/~3/325871109/goal-setting-template-part-4.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Goal Setting Template- Part 4&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Carolyn- Applause. Applause.  Brava!!! Love this story. Thanks.</p>
<p><em>Janice C Cartier&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/cartier/paintings/~3/325871109/goal-setting-template-part-4.html' rel="nofollow">A Goal Setting Template- Part 4</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Bahm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn Bahm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, you&#039;re making me sorry I&#039;ve been saving your posts for when I had time to savor them. I need to make time for them each day. :o)

One thing I try to evangelize is my reaction to the tired old &quot;freedom of speech&quot; argument: Yes, I tell people -- you&#039;re free to speak however you like. And other people have the freedom to react however THEY like. You don&#039;t get to dictate that they react with total acceptance. Freedom goes both ways. Then I smile, even though on the inside I&#039;m channeling Tourette&#039;s in their direction.

Although I sometimes stumble on this principle, my personal rule of thumb is to restrain my hot temper and razor-sharp words when someone&#039;s being an ass, because 99% of the time my relationship with the other person is more important than the point under discussion. I will try to communicate again, more clearly, and to empathize with the other person&#039;s circumstances and point of view. If their assdom continues, I&#039;ll just walk away from what clearly isn&#039;t a real conversation anyway. At this point in my life, it takes a *lot* for me to pop a gasket and say something I regret, either in print or in person. I wish the bite-your-tongue approach were more common!

I was particularly touched by Angelawd&#039;s comments about trying to talk with someone who has a different POV. Too many times, I&#039;ve tried to do the same with the same results. Some people see it as a challenge when you say, &quot;I have a different view but I&#039;d like to know more about yours.&quot; Funny -- that doesn&#039;t SOUND like &quot;Insult me,&quot; but there&#039;s no accounting for some people&#039;s hearing problems.

I ran into something similar via phone in an old job. I was known for being accommodating, but this one ass ... well, I finally said, &quot;Let me interrupt you a minute. I&#039;m willing to listen to what you have to say and to help you. But if you continue to swear at me, I&#039;ll have to disconnect and invite you to call back when you can be civil.&quot; He continued, and I made good. Then he called BACK and said, in suspicious tones, &quot;We must have been accidentally disconnected,&quot; and I said, in dulcet tones, &quot;Oh, no, I disconnected because you were being discourteous, as I said ... weren&#039;t you listening?&quot; He continued on in his apoplectic way, and I had to tell him, &quot;I see that you want me to disconnect again. Good day, and feel free to call back at another time.&quot;

My co-workers, who had all dealt with this person (an abusive and bullying co-worker, not a client), startled me when they stood up and clapped as I hung up gently again. (The rude guy also got it. He cooled off for a half hour and called back, MUCH nicer this time.)

&lt;em&gt;Carolyn Bahm&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://carolynbahm.com/2008/07/04/47x365-no-65-karl-f/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;47?365, No. 65 - Karl F.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, you&#8217;re making me sorry I&#8217;ve been saving your posts for when I had time to savor them. I need to make time for them each day. <img src='http://menwithpens.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>One thing I try to evangelize is my reaction to the tired old &#8220;freedom of speech&#8221; argument: Yes, I tell people &#8212; you&#8217;re free to speak however you like. And other people have the freedom to react however THEY like. You don&#8217;t get to dictate that they react with total acceptance. Freedom goes both ways. Then I smile, even though on the inside I&#8217;m channeling Tourette&#8217;s in their direction.</p>
<p>Although I sometimes stumble on this principle, my personal rule of thumb is to restrain my hot temper and razor-sharp words when someone&#8217;s being an ass, because 99% of the time my relationship with the other person is more important than the point under discussion. I will try to communicate again, more clearly, and to empathize with the other person&#8217;s circumstances and point of view. If their assdom continues, I&#8217;ll just walk away from what clearly isn&#8217;t a real conversation anyway. At this point in my life, it takes a *lot* for me to pop a gasket and say something I regret, either in print or in person. I wish the bite-your-tongue approach were more common!</p>
<p>I was particularly touched by Angelawd&#8217;s comments about trying to talk with someone who has a different POV. Too many times, I&#8217;ve tried to do the same with the same results. Some people see it as a challenge when you say, &#8220;I have a different view but I&#8217;d like to know more about yours.&#8221; Funny &#8212; that doesn&#8217;t SOUND like &#8220;Insult me,&#8221; but there&#8217;s no accounting for some people&#8217;s hearing problems.</p>
<p>I ran into something similar via phone in an old job. I was known for being accommodating, but this one ass &#8230; well, I finally said, &#8220;Let me interrupt you a minute. I&#8217;m willing to listen to what you have to say and to help you. But if you continue to swear at me, I&#8217;ll have to disconnect and invite you to call back when you can be civil.&#8221; He continued, and I made good. Then he called BACK and said, in suspicious tones, &#8220;We must have been accidentally disconnected,&#8221; and I said, in dulcet tones, &#8220;Oh, no, I disconnected because you were being discourteous, as I said &#8230; weren&#8217;t you listening?&#8221; He continued on in his apoplectic way, and I had to tell him, &#8220;I see that you want me to disconnect again. Good day, and feel free to call back at another time.&#8221;</p>
<p>My co-workers, who had all dealt with this person (an abusive and bullying co-worker, not a client), startled me when they stood up and clapped as I hung up gently again. (The rude guy also got it. He cooled off for a half hour and called back, MUCH nicer this time.)</p>
<p><em>Carolyn Bahm&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://carolynbahm.com/2008/07/04/47x365-no-65-karl-f/' rel="nofollow">47?365, No. 65 &#8211; Karl F.</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Patricia - Spiritual Journey Of A Lightworker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patricia - Spiritual Journey Of A Lightworker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can always state your opinion without being mean and hurtful and rude.  I expect that.  My views are different from a lot of people and I know that.  You can state your opinion without name calling.

&lt;em&gt;Patricia - Spiritual Journey Of A Lightworker&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://patriciasingleton.blogspot.com/2008/07/we-can-only-see-who-we-are.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;We Can Only See Who We Are&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can always state your opinion without being mean and hurtful and rude.  I expect that.  My views are different from a lot of people and I know that.  You can state your opinion without name calling.</p>
<p><em>Patricia &#8211; Spiritual Journey Of A Lightworker&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://patriciasingleton.blogspot.com/2008/07/we-can-only-see-who-we-are.html' rel="nofollow">We Can Only See Who We Are</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Freelance Writers Should Watch Their Manners &#171; Daily Freelance Writing Tips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freelance Writers Should Watch Their Manners &#171; Daily Freelance Writing Tips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Patricia - I think that your niche has it very hard. There&#039;s always strong opinion and intolerance in that area. Reminds me of the post I did on a homeless man - it was picked up by a another blog (a religious blog) and I was pretty much flogged in public by the commentators coming from there. 

A definitely interesting experience and not one I&#039;d like to repeat. I&#039;m glad that the person stopped sending you emails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Patricia &#8211; I think that your niche has it very hard. There&#8217;s always strong opinion and intolerance in that area. Reminds me of the post I did on a homeless man &#8211; it was picked up by a another blog (a religious blog) and I was pretty much flogged in public by the commentators coming from there. </p>
<p>A definitely interesting experience and not one I&#8217;d like to repeat. I&#8217;m glad that the person stopped sending you emails.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia - Spiritual Journey Of A Lightworker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patricia - Spiritual Journey Of A Lightworker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 04:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have only gotten one flamingly rude comment and Thank God he didn&#039;t leave it on my blog.  Somehow he actually sent it to my regular email address.  I assume it was from a male.  It could have been a female.  He didn&#039;t use the title of Anonymous like some readers do.  After sending me 2 emails calling my articles the rants of a schizophrenic person, he sent me a 3rd email and said, &quot;Oh by the way, this isn&#039;t even my name.  It belongs to someone else.&quot;  The entire tone of the emails was done purely to hurt.  At first, I thought he just misunderstood what I was saying.  I explained.  The second email that he sent, I realized nothing that I could say was going to make a difference.  I didn&#039;t answer the second or the third and last email.  I decided not to be hurt by his comments.  They were just someone else&#039;s opinion.  Most people that read my blog seem to get some good from it or I assume so from the comments that I get.  I appreciate the time that my readers take to leave comments on my blog.  It lets me know that my writing does make sense to someone.  I don&#039;t expect everyone to share my opinion and it is nice to hear when someone does get my message.

&lt;em&gt;Patricia - Spiritual Journey Of A Lightworker&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://patriciasingleton.blogspot.com/2008/07/we-can-only-see-who-we-are.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;We Can Only See Who We Are&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have only gotten one flamingly rude comment and Thank God he didn&#8217;t leave it on my blog.  Somehow he actually sent it to my regular email address.  I assume it was from a male.  It could have been a female.  He didn&#8217;t use the title of Anonymous like some readers do.  After sending me 2 emails calling my articles the rants of a schizophrenic person, he sent me a 3rd email and said, &#8220;Oh by the way, this isn&#8217;t even my name.  It belongs to someone else.&#8221;  The entire tone of the emails was done purely to hurt.  At first, I thought he just misunderstood what I was saying.  I explained.  The second email that he sent, I realized nothing that I could say was going to make a difference.  I didn&#8217;t answer the second or the third and last email.  I decided not to be hurt by his comments.  They were just someone else&#8217;s opinion.  Most people that read my blog seem to get some good from it or I assume so from the comments that I get.  I appreciate the time that my readers take to leave comments on my blog.  It lets me know that my writing does make sense to someone.  I don&#8217;t expect everyone to share my opinion and it is nice to hear when someone does get my message.</p>
<p><em>Patricia &#8211; Spiritual Journey Of A Lightworker&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://patriciasingleton.blogspot.com/2008/07/we-can-only-see-who-we-are.html' rel="nofollow">We Can Only See Who We Are</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James -- I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve read enough of my rants on the subject of online manners to know my thoughts on this one. But I have to confess, the reason I first checked out your blog was because you were so misunderstood on Deb&#039;s blog. I&#039;d see your comments and the way people would respond to you and think &quot;This dude&#039;s as misunderstood as I am.&quot; So, I had to click through and stalk you. (Good marketing tactic, perhaps?)  ;-) (And yes, I realize this has little to do with manners, but since when do I stay on topic?)

I tend to be sarcastic and quick to rant, and that tends to get me a bad rep for obvious reasons. I also tend to be very obnoxious, which is probably why people frequently ask me if I&#039;ve been drinking -- although I haven&#039;t been since 1996. :-)

But the best is the rep I quickly got on forums (which later translated into blog comments) for being a snob. I honestly still don&#039;t know how it is that I seem to come across as a snob in type. I answer someone&#039;s question, intending to be helpful, and am then perceived as a know-it-all trying to be all my-way-or-the-highway, which isn&#039;t how I am at all. You&#039;d think for a writer I&#039;d be better at acting prim and proper and writing in a way where people wouldn&#039;t perceive me as a jackass, but hey... :-&#124;

At least I get cool nicknames like Pandora out of it. :-D

&lt;em&gt;Amy&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://write-from-home.com/keyword-analysis-cant-do-without-these-gems&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Keyword Analysis: Canâ€™t Do Without These Gems&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James &#8212; I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve read enough of my rants on the subject of online manners to know my thoughts on this one. But I have to confess, the reason I first checked out your blog was because you were so misunderstood on Deb&#8217;s blog. I&#8217;d see your comments and the way people would respond to you and think &#8220;This dude&#8217;s as misunderstood as I am.&#8221; So, I had to click through and stalk you. (Good marketing tactic, perhaps?)  <img src='http://menwithpens.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  (And yes, I realize this has little to do with manners, but since when do I stay on topic?)</p>
<p>I tend to be sarcastic and quick to rant, and that tends to get me a bad rep for obvious reasons. I also tend to be very obnoxious, which is probably why people frequently ask me if I&#8217;ve been drinking &#8212; although I haven&#8217;t been since 1996. <img src='http://menwithpens.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But the best is the rep I quickly got on forums (which later translated into blog comments) for being a snob. I honestly still don&#8217;t know how it is that I seem to come across as a snob in type. I answer someone&#8217;s question, intending to be helpful, and am then perceived as a know-it-all trying to be all my-way-or-the-highway, which isn&#8217;t how I am at all. You&#8217;d think for a writer I&#8217;d be better at acting prim and proper and writing in a way where people wouldn&#8217;t perceive me as a jackass, but hey&#8230; <img src='http://menwithpens.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif' alt=':-|' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>At least I get cool nicknames like Pandora out of it. <img src='http://menwithpens.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><em>Amy&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://write-from-home.com/keyword-analysis-cant-do-without-these-gems' rel="nofollow">Keyword Analysis: Canâ€™t Do Without These Gems</a></em></p>
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