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  1. I spend enough time revising myself to death. Clients asking for too much is enough to finish me off.
    It’s a good idea to define the scope of a project before getting started. That way everyone knows what to expect. Putting a number or limit on revisions is a good idea, one I’ll have to start using.
    I never thought of defining the scope as a way to encourage clients to be clear about what they’re after but that’s exactly what it does.
    Great post. I love a change in perspective.

  2. I definitely think a revision limit is useful as it reminds your client not to be flippant with requested changes. I’ve worked in the past going round the houses with revisions only for them to decide it was the first version they liked anyway.

    It gives them responsibilty to think about what they’re asking for rather than thinking they have a slave copywriter for ever and ever

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  3. Nick Cernis says:

    Great advice, as ever! We usually mention revisions at the quotation stage with a simple note like “quoted price includes a, b, c, and up to 3 design revisions based on initial mockups supplied. Further revisions are charged at our hourly rate, which is currently £…”

    Any company who offers ‘unlimited design revisions at no extra cost’ probably won’t be around for long. If you fancy a giggle that shows just how silly it can get, check out the $50 logo experiment over at 160over90.

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  4. Having a revision policy is great – though make sure the client sees it up front. I include mine in my fee proposal, and I change it depending on the job. I thinks it’s important to be realistic about what the client may require, and build it into the fee. For example, if someone just wants a quick review and polish I include one draft and one final version – if the job is going to be more complex then two drafts and a final version may be more appropriate.

    Great post.

    Sally, Snappy Sentences´s last blog post…What a book about a hippo eating cake can teach us about writing

  5. What I found worked for me was a segmented contract based on milestones.

    Once a milestone was met the client had a period of time to review the work that was done and had 3 free revisions before we both signed off and work continued.

    Any more revisions would incur an additional charge. Admittedly I haven’t had much work but it hasn’t failed yet.

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  6. @ Nick – That’s exactly what we do. “We offer X revisions, blah blah, and extra revisions are available at Y price.”

    As I was mentioning to someone on Twitter, the inspiration for this post was a mention from someone checking us out who was “feeling nervous about the revision policy.” Which made me a little nervous too… ;)

    @ Marc – Oh crap, I forgot that – TIME limits! Well done. Long ago, I once had a client who came back six months later to cash in on the revisions. Lesson learned.

    @ Henry – It’s always important to decide what YOU want, and then find out how that benefits the client. Because it always does, even when it’s restrictive.

    Take our no-phone rule. People sometimes think that’s bad for clients – no communication, right? No way, man. GOOD for clients. Written track record, total focus, no distractions, and fast service.

  7. Tell us how the no phone policy works.

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  8. @ Christopher – What?! And reveal all my secrets? Actually, that’s covered in an upcoming post, but you can read more about it here:

    http://menwithpens.ca/should-you-turn-off-your-telephone

  9. @ james A very good friend of mine pointed out that I needed a time limit so as not to give them an opportunity to procrastinate or just plain forget to act.

    I think the wording of the contract stated they had 7 days to review the work, if I hadn’t heard back by the end of the week then it was assumed to be “signed off” and they lost their free revisions.

    I remember that No Phone post. It was the second post I ever read on Men With Pens, the first being a Drive by Shooting which I just didn’t get. That phone post convinced me of my fallacies.

  10. @ James- I agree. If you don’t set limits you can live with you’ll be miserable and the work will be crap. Every playground needs rules or kids start getting hurt.

  11. Hmmm…I offer unlimited revisions. In the extremely rare instance that I get a client who is unreasonable about revisions, I walk away from the job with least my 50% initial payment in hand.

    Why? 1) Offering unlimited revisions offers a competitive advantage, at least psychologically (I’m not imposing limits on the client like other writers), 2) The number of clients who go overboard is really REALLY low, at least among the clients that I attract, 3) If a client pulled a “Mr. Monk” on me, I don’t want to work with them anymore anyway, so walking away has very little negative impact on my future business.

    I can’t remember when I went past a second revision on a project, and even that is occasional. Yes, I do understand that “insane revisionist” clients are lurking out there in the shadows, but I’ll take my chances.

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  12. Zoe (@zoewesthof) says:

    Walking away to actually write down my revision policy now…

    I’m one of those people who scribbles some vague policy in an e-mail to a client… which means that if I like a client (which is often), that “policy” disintegrates and suddenly I’m easily roped into free extra help. Never had a nightmare problem, but now that you mention the coming-back-6-months-later client… I think a firm policy is in order :) .

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  13. James,

    OK, my to do list just got a bit longer and the priorities shifted. I’m getting this done.

    I’ve also learned a valuable lesson in terms of project definition. I have a client that was looking for some blog postings and a little help with getting the word out about his product. He confessed a small budget, I confessed a small workload. A marriage made in heaven.

    Yikes. I started receiving things to do from him, sometimes 6 or 7 things a day – (here’s a link to add, contact this site, add this article…)

    I never clearly defined the project, I figure my hourly rate with the guy has dropped to about 4 cents and now I’m kinda stuck.

    I still have this albatross, but at least now I clearly define project parameters with new clients.

    Cheers!

    George

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  14. @ Tumble – That situation takes action – gentle, kind and firm. You can simply write in and say that you’ve revised your policy and will now have to blah blah blah – but then point out the benefits to the client.

    @ Zoe – Ah, the disintegrating policy… Yes, yes, those often happen when we want to be kind, go the extra mile or impress someone. And then we regret it later, no?

    @ Trish – I’m a bit curious. If you have an unlimited revisions policy, how can you walk away at any point without damaging your reputation? “Hey, I know I said I’d be here forever but I’m changing my mind.” I don’t know, but I personally wouldn’t feel comfortable with that.

    Also, revision policies don’t impose limits on clients. They tend to enhance the project and result in better work in a faster turnaround, which leaves clients more impressed than not!

    My take on it, anyways :)

    @ Henry – A miserable worker has leak-out effects on many people, too. Side symptoms are never fun.

    @ Marc – You’re the third person this week to mention the word “fallacy”… MORE post fodder!

  15. @James So that’s one blog post and one word so far this week. At least you now have the answer to why your muse has suddenly developed a Welsh accent ;)

  16. Totally agree! But I did smile at your description of a 12-time revision. I’ll bet customers like that really do exist (I’m very lucky – when I build websites for folk, they’re generally happy with it at the end. I always make certain to FIRST get tons of input before even beginning a design – tedious, but really helps in the final analysis).

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  17. I didn’t have a revision policy and one client I worked with was extremely difficult. I turned into evil Cassie for quite a few weeks until that job was over. (My kids learned to stay far, far away from me). You’d think that would snap some sense into me, but NOOO. I still don’t have a revision policy. I’m glad I read this post and was reminded of it. I’m definitely putting one in place now!

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  18. Excellent article! Now I just need to find some clients… LOL Anyone interested in an enlightened blogger???

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  19. Dot (@dotfromdi) says:

    My Dad was a carpenter-contractor, and he once had a client who had him paint the INSIDE of her closet seven times before she was satisfied with the color. He was in that state of mind that you described above.

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  20. Zoe (@zoewesthof) says:

    @ James – I’ve definitely felt like I undersold myself in the cases where I put in more time than expected. I usually felt that it was worth it, because I really liked the project/client, but after reading your “How to say no to a client you want to keep” I think I can have more rigid policies and still keep the cool clients. I hope!

    Zoe´s last blog post…Community Contemplation: Get Paid For Doing What You Love?

  21. J.D. Meier says:

    Great point on setting boundaries and expectations.

    I’ve found it’s always better to set expectations up front than try to wiggle yourself out of the thick of things … it’s a slippery slope.

    J.D. Meier´s last blog post…Avoid Mental Burnout

  22. Capileira says:

    Well yes, revisions – if too much can dump your earnings on the project. I never thought in offer “unlimited revisions”
    3 – 5 sounds reasonably to me if the overall work is well done. You have to state the conditions clearly before accepting a job otherwise lot’s of people just trie to use you as an experimental platform.

  23. Austin says:

    NEVER offer unlimited revisions with new clients. It never works out well. I’ve had clients ask for like 10 “revisions” (which were more like re-writes) of the same few articles.

  24. ahh… the dreaded revision request. had a few of those. my way of placating and avoiding ‘em, after being burnt waaay too many times, was to just word the deal in such a way that they bear the blame for their lack of good explanation in the brief – and always make sure they give the brief and not you suggest it – which becomes a total nightmare.

    i agree that they’re important, but like the rest of the sheep i’ma have to parotphrase some tim ferriss and say i’d rather have the fewer clients with no grief and less work than including the hagglers.

    really like the way you weigh up the benefits to freelancers and clients.

    cool stuff

    talk to you soon
    alex

  25. Tamil Movie says:

    These revision policies are making life of FreeLancers hectic. Sorry but its true..

 

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