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  1. Gabriella says:

    lolol Welcome to our world. Okay maybe not everyone is an ass or self proclaimed entitled jerk. But I have to tell you from what I have seen there are more bad guys than good. You are one of the few writers I know that can “bitch” eloquently. Maybe bitch is a harsh word but it’s too bloody early in the morning for me and I can barely speak let alone write. But I had to share my kudos for this post!
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  2. Kath says:

    Fabulous piece! I shall be sharing it all around “the community” free of charge. Cos I’m that kinda generous, I am.

    One thing though, I don’t feel you need to justify to anyone what you do for helping the needy. If anyone asks you to, tell them that it’s none of their damn business!
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  3. Charlene says:

    Yes, yes and one more yes!

    It seems that people are equating community with communes, and I don’t live or work or participate in communes. Nor did I start my business to ‘volunteer’ my skills.

    If you want what I have then you will pay for it. If you don’t, fine, learn it on your own. I buy what I need – product or service – and expect you to do the same.

    Like Barbara, I respond to many statements about how information on the internet is free with the following: “yes, finding the information is free…are you sure you found the right information? are you sure you looked everywhere possible? are you familiar with the 100+ search engines currently available for use when searching the internet – and how to use each one?”

    I have similar statements for those wanting/needing/asking about copywriting service for print or website, primary research techniques, etc.

  4. Friar says:

    I so totally agree. I never understoond this “community” that we’re supposed to be “obligated to”.

    Since when do I have to answer to people I’ve never met and who I haven’t agreed to provide a service?

    I think we need to ask ourselves this: If we don’t post every so often, or we don’t “contribute”, what’s the worst thing that’s gonna happen?

    Is someone going to yell at us? Or spank us?

    Will this go on our Permanent Blogging Record?

    Will we get shunned by the Blogging Elders, and bansihed to some remote Social Media Outland?

    Chances are: No. No. No. And NO.

    People need to lighten up.

  5. Does it count when people contact you and want to post on your blogs for “free?”

    I get contacted often by folks volunteering to “guest post” for me (and I use the term loosely), but if I read their so-called post it is nothing but an advertisement and has little to do with the subject of my blog. A similar ploy is those who send me “press releases” and scold when I don’t publish them.

    (This does not apply to those few legitimate guest posters that I’ve used on my blog, most of whom were invited to guest post and all of whom I knew of well in advance of the guest post.)
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  6. Hear hear!

    People’s sense of entitlement are really getting blown out of proportion these days.
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  7. James says:

    @ Kenji – The anonymity and facelessness of the Internet may make people feel less awkward about asking? I doubt any of the people would approach me as a stranger on the street to ask the same thing.

    @ Laura – I have one of those hounding me as we speak – it’s been weeks of “No, thank you, that’s not a good fit for our blog,” and repeated attempts to push me into a yes.

    She met the wrong gringo for that ;)

    @ Friar – Believe it or not, taking a vacation reminded me of the fact that Bad Things will not happen if we say no. And I’m saying no way more often these days.

    Time to think of James, a little more.

    @ Charlene – That’s a point in the right direction. I am where I am and in demand and successful because I bothered to put in years of hard work and learning. It irks me that some 20-some living in his parent’s basement comes along out of the blue thinking that my life goal is to help him get rich so he can buy a new stereo.

    @ Kath – Haha, good point! I know too many people who justify themselves to death, out of fear they’ll be seen as bad people. Thing is, simply saying no without justifying anything actually tends to increase perception of value and offers more respect!

    @ Gabriella – Make no mistake. I can bitch eloquently. But I sure ain’t anyone’s eloquent bitch ;)

    @ The Other James – How about marketing at its worst? :D

    @ Chris – Check your email! :)

    @ Bill –

    You need to be accepted by the community, and that takes time and effort.

    Exactly. Well said.

    @ Deb with Needles – Well, we could all start a commune for our community… ;)

    @ Deb with Knives – Aye. I know full well you’re one of the people getting the brunt of these requests, just like I am. I’m glad to see the post on your site today. You go, girl.

    @ Robin – No one told me about setting boundaries! I had to learn! (Works well, though. Good point!)

    @ Mik – We like to prepare you well. :)

    @ Rich – Well, I’m not so concerned about falling traffic and more concerned about people’s sense of entitlement that encroaches on my personal time, but maybe you’re right – maybe Facebook will take over! (Or maybe not…)

    @ Barbara and Milan – Great posts, and comments on each of them for you!

    @ Steve – Dude! Where the hell have you been? Glad to have you back. And if we’re joining the Uncommunity for the Non-Community Minded, I think we should have a theme song. One sung by munchkins. Mmhm.

  8. Yeah, well I think this speaks to the whole “information wants to be free” ethos of the Internet as we know it. Makes it easy to exploit those who create that information.
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  9. For me, this idea of entitlement extends beyond the idea of community and goes right into the online business model.

    Supposedly we’re bad business people if we don’t offer five bonuses with whatever we’re offering.

    I try to imagine someone going into IKEA and saying “Okay, I want to buy a bed, but I’ll go across the street to another store unless you also offer me the mattress, pillows and 50% off bedding for the rest of my life.”

    The flip side of that, of course is the seller who tries to scare the buyer into investing in “the community” (ie buy their stuff) because it’s only available for a limited time and is going to be much more expensive next time the “community” opens up.

    As if IKEA would sell beds that come and go in the store and get more expensive each time they come back in stock!
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  10. jennine says:

    I really agree with a lot of what you are saying, though there are some great communities online that rely on contributions to keep going. I’ve been running Independent Fashion Bloggers (IFB) for 2 years, just to give bloggers a place to rant and ask questions/get answers. I don’t make any money from it, though we need to start getting some money together to develop a user-friendly platform so people can better find each other and ask questions, and also, so I can pay people to help me, because there’s a lot of work that needs to be done, and I’m at maximum capacity.

    Anyway, with IFB there is no way I can come up with all the issues about blogging from my own experience, and there are A LOT of other people who are way more qualified than I to share with the ‘community’ their own experience, but all in all, what we try to do is stay informed and protect us bloggers from being taken advantage of.

    That said, I’ve had up to *here* with people I’ve never heard of, who wouldn’t be doing something if THEY weren’t getting paid… asking me to do stuff for free, it’s not just posts, but information, contacts, consulting, even my design skills *heh* and my photographs just so they can make a profit from my work. That’s total bullshit.
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  11. James says:

    @ Jennine – There are indeed great communities that use contributions to stay alive, and those have their place, purpose and time. They’re also often (if not always) mutually beneficial in some way, and they also work to benefit a wider group of people as well.

    Good to see you here, btw!

    @ Alex – Now that’s very, VERY interesting. I too can’t stand the “free, free, free”, and as you’ll note, the only free thing we do around here is blog – and we’d cut that back as well during the past year.

    If people gave less away for free and started standing up for what they believe in a little more (like, that their time is worth a bit of money?) then maybe they wouldn’t have to ask for free handouts to stay alive.

    @ Maria – Information wants to be free? Wow. I’ve never heard it say a word to me, so I must be in the dark on that. The guy who says he heard information said that *really* has to get in touch with me! ;)

  12. jennine says:

    Thank you!
    :)
    Ironically, someone just sent me an email asking to do a load of work finding influential bloggers and getting them to sign up for THEIR network… all for a badge in their report. Mmm…yummy badges in mysterious reports going to unknown people.
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  13. James says:

    @ Jennine – WHAT?! You didn’t LEAP on the fantastic offer of an ugly jpg whipped up in 15 minutes that you can post on your blog and use to drive all your traffic over THEIR way?!!

    Insanity.

  14. Jim Hayes says:

    A community should support itself and not just be looking to one or two people to do all the work. It is amazing how people can ask for help without any thought into if what they asking benefits the other person in any way.

    Great post and I am glad I just found your blog! So I am thinking you should write a guest post for my blog, what do you think? ;)

  15. James says:

    @ Jim – Sure thing – I’ll guest, you pay $75. Sound like a plan? ;)

  16. MrLich says:

    Thank you for this.

    “Many of these people have a self-assured attitude, too. They really think they have the right to ask for free goods. They feel they deserve it. They’re shocked when I decline. They’re hurt and dismayed. They’re disappointed.”

    Unfortunately, the sense of entitlement (especially here in the US) seems to be growing all the time. It’s already at levels that sadden me, and it just seems to be increasing. I really hope that pendulum swings soon.

  17. James – Great post!

    I have a related situation in my IT consulting business. Pleas from prospects to lower fees because of all the referrals I’m going to get from said prospect. Don’t have any contact information or introductions…but nifty promises of incoming business just as soon as we work cheap and “do a great job” of making their business better.
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  18. Lisbeth Tanz says:

    So, I’m a bit behind in reading Men with Pens posts. Got to this one and FACE PALM! Wow, I can so relate to this – and I’m not even an uber successful writer…yet. I don’t mind pitching in for the greater good – when I’m part of the greater good. But when things turn ugly, that is, when people begin to take advantage or, heaven forbid, expect me to continue to do things for free or at low cost, they seem offended when I say “no.” This even has roots in my client base. After working with a company (as a freelancer) for over 3 years, they approached me with a request that I reduce my rates because “they didn’t want to pay so much and they could get someone to do the job at 1/4 of what I charge.” I not-so-subtly suggested that they go hire that other person – what a deal! They balked, I gave in a bit, and will now be letting them go as a client at the end of this year. (Don’t tell them, they don’t know yet.) Point is – I can be a sucker for the “greater good” or own up to the fact that I do, indeed, need to earn not only a living wage, but a fulfilling wage. Still working on that. Thanks for another great post and for making me think.

  19. James says:

    @ Lizbeth – Yeah, that’s another example of spongers – the clients that guilt trip you into lower rates. Sucks, that.

    @ Kathy – Oh, now that’s an interesting application, eh? I’ve had a few of those, as well. They come off looking like joint venture kind of things and apparently the joints at work are all mine. Um, no.

    @ Mr. Lich – Well, I think it’s more in the online world than the offline one. People wouldn’t walk up to you on the street and ask you, y’know? But yeah. It’s becoming prevalent throughout the ‘net.

 

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