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		<title>By: I&#8217;m calling out Men with Pens &#124; Dancing Geek</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/shutting-down/comment-page-1#comment-25092</link>
		<dc:creator>I&#8217;m calling out Men with Pens &#124; Dancing Geek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Naomi wrote a post about dropping comments from her blog, Harry wrote a post about what he thought was wrong and John wrote a post about the reaction to Harry&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#187; Spam Control: What Should Be Done? - Blog Content Provider .com &#187; Archivio Blog</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/shutting-down/comment-page-1#comment-21903</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Spam Control: What Should Be Done? - Blog Content Provider .com &#187; Archivio Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] controversy started when one of Naomi Dunsford&#8217;s readers took offense at her approach to the topic. He admitted that he wasn&#8217;t offended that she stopped people from commenting on her blog. He [...]</description>
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<p>[...] controversy started when one of Naomi Dunsford&#8217;s readers took offense at her approach to the topic. He admitted that he wasn&#8217;t offended that she stopped people from commenting on her blog. He [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Hohman</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/shutting-down/comment-page-1#comment-21890</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Hohman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy comment volume, batman! 

I consider myself relatively thin-skinned, and I didn&#039;t feel insulted by Naomi&#039;s explanation for removing comments, as the tone was consistent with the rest of her posts. 

Whether or not the decision turns out to be bad for business remains to be seen, but the bulk of comments here fail to make the distinction between the strategy and the execution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy comment volume, batman! </p>
<p>I consider myself relatively thin-skinned, and I didn&#8217;t feel insulted by Naomi&#8217;s explanation for removing comments, as the tone was consistent with the rest of her posts. </p>
<p>Whether or not the decision turns out to be bad for business remains to be seen, but the bulk of comments here fail to make the distinction between the strategy and the execution.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/shutting-down/comment-page-1#comment-21853</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ James - Oh coolness! I&#039;m going to read now. (Um, what does this say about us that I get excited when someone disagrees?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ James &#8211; Oh coolness! I&#8217;m going to read now. (Um, what does this say about us that I get excited when someone disagrees?)</p>
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		<title>By: James &#124; Dancing Geek</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/shutting-down/comment-page-1#comment-21852</link>
		<dc:creator>James &#124; Dancing Geek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s taken me all day to get through the various posts and comments to be sure of this, but here it is: Harry - I&#039;m calling you on this post.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;James &#124; Dancing Geeks last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/DancingGeek/~3/410694165/im-calling-out-men-with-pens.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I&#039;m calling out Men with Pens&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s taken me all day to get through the various posts and comments to be sure of this, but here it is: Harry &#8211; I&#8217;m calling you on this post.</p>
<p><abbr><em>James | Dancing Geeks last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/DancingGeek/~3/410694165/im-calling-out-men-with-pens.html" rel="nofollow">I&#8217;m calling out Men with Pens</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/shutting-down/comment-page-1#comment-21851</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Liz - Okay, wait, so you&#039;re saying that if I say I&#039;m your friend, you&#039;ll write me a cheque...?

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Liz &#8211; Okay, wait, so you&#8217;re saying that if I say I&#8217;m your friend, you&#8217;ll write me a cheque&#8230;?</p>
<p> <img src='http://menwithpens.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Liz Walker</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/shutting-down/comment-page-1#comment-21841</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before I went out on my own, I was an account guy for a couple of the biggest ad agencies in the world. We actually believed that clients did business with us because we were always right â€“ and we were pretty arrogant and dismissive when clients disagreed with us. 

Imagine our surprise when an industry research study told us that clients felt they could do without us pretty darn easily, since their own marketing departments could do what we did, only better. Oops â€“ big dose of reality there. 

Same with blogs. Arrogance is not an effective communications strategy. If I want people to write checks to me, I have to create and maintain a relationship with them. 

While I might not have to expend the same energy on everyone, and I choose the people I invest time and energy in, I have to remember what what I post is seen by everyone. That means I have to deal with the obstreperous posters in a way that my more valuable contributors respect. 

And if I donâ€™t invest the time and thought in doing this, well, they are going to brand me with the same epithet I apply to those guys I donâ€™t like. And they will likely be accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before I went out on my own, I was an account guy for a couple of the biggest ad agencies in the world. We actually believed that clients did business with us because we were always right â€“ and we were pretty arrogant and dismissive when clients disagreed with us. </p>
<p>Imagine our surprise when an industry research study told us that clients felt they could do without us pretty darn easily, since their own marketing departments could do what we did, only better. Oops â€“ big dose of reality there. </p>
<p>Same with blogs. Arrogance is not an effective communications strategy. If I want people to write checks to me, I have to create and maintain a relationship with them. </p>
<p>While I might not have to expend the same energy on everyone, and I choose the people I invest time and energy in, I have to remember what what I post is seen by everyone. That means I have to deal with the obstreperous posters in a way that my more valuable contributors respect. </p>
<p>And if I donâ€™t invest the time and thought in doing this, well, they are going to brand me with the same epithet I apply to those guys I donâ€™t like. And they will likely be accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Harmony</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/shutting-down/comment-page-1#comment-21799</link>
		<dc:creator>Harmony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great discussion here.  The comments section highlighting and contributing significantly to the discussion.  Hmmm What does that mean?

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Harmonys last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://harmonythiessen.com/blog/entry/39700/who-is-a-global-citizen&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Who Is A Global Citizen?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion here.  The comments section highlighting and contributing significantly to the discussion.  Hmmm What does that mean?</p>
<p><abbr><em>Harmonys last blog post..<a href="http://harmonythiessen.com/blog/entry/39700/who-is-a-global-citizen" rel="nofollow">Who Is A Global Citizen?</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Amy Derby</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/shutting-down/comment-page-1#comment-21793</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Derby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow I missed this. And now, reading it, I feel like the ostracized child of a bitter divorce.

I haven&#039;t read all the comments because I&#039;m having a bad day, and I don&#039;t think I could take it. Maybe tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow I missed this. And now, reading it, I feel like the ostracized child of a bitter divorce.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read all the comments because I&#8217;m having a bad day, and I don&#8217;t think I could take it. Maybe tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Silver</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/shutting-down/comment-page-1#comment-21780</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Silver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, here I am at the bottom of a long stream of comments, and since I rarely read this far down, I&#039;m also assuming others won&#039;t read. But, what the heck, I&#039;ll add my two shekels.

Before content, before pricing, before features, there is tribe. I wrote about this recently in a blog post, Why Clients Don&#039;t Buy- The Hierarchy of Choice.

I will be very curious about what happens with Naomi&#039;s blog as she continues forward, and whether she is able to maintain a strong sense of belonging and tribe without the comments section. Part of the value of the comments in a blog is not just whether a conversation is valuable in terms of content, but whether people can see if they are alone, or if there IS a tribe they belong to.

Because Naomi&#039;s own authentic way of speaking connected so strongly to so many people, there is clearly a tribal thing going on.

However, the same sense of tribe has been created through email and other one-way communications- I experience tribe much more strongly with the several thousand people on my email list than with the rather anemic following on my blog at this point. Not that I don&#039;t welcome it on my blog- it&#039;s just my blog isn&#039;t as visible (yet!?!).

I read a blog post by Joe Vitale once that struck me, even though I don&#039;t often agree with the guy&#039;s approach to life. He said that he spends over an hour every single day responding personally to emails, because that&#039;s his business, those are the people who support what he&#039;s doing.

I&#039;ve taken that same attitude with my email and now with my blog. It&#039;s not the only way to do things, and I support Naomi 100% in following what&#039;s true for her. I&#039;m just curious to see how it pans out.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mark Silvers last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://heartofbusiness.com/wordpress/2008/10/01/why-clients-dont-buy-the-hierarchy-of-choice/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why Clients Donâ€™t Buy- The Hierarchy of Choice&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here I am at the bottom of a long stream of comments, and since I rarely read this far down, I&#8217;m also assuming others won&#8217;t read. But, what the heck, I&#8217;ll add my two shekels.</p>
<p>Before content, before pricing, before features, there is tribe. I wrote about this recently in a blog post, Why Clients Don&#8217;t Buy- The Hierarchy of Choice.</p>
<p>I will be very curious about what happens with Naomi&#8217;s blog as she continues forward, and whether she is able to maintain a strong sense of belonging and tribe without the comments section. Part of the value of the comments in a blog is not just whether a conversation is valuable in terms of content, but whether people can see if they are alone, or if there IS a tribe they belong to.</p>
<p>Because Naomi&#8217;s own authentic way of speaking connected so strongly to so many people, there is clearly a tribal thing going on.</p>
<p>However, the same sense of tribe has been created through email and other one-way communications- I experience tribe much more strongly with the several thousand people on my email list than with the rather anemic following on my blog at this point. Not that I don&#8217;t welcome it on my blog- it&#8217;s just my blog isn&#8217;t as visible (yet!?!).</p>
<p>I read a blog post by Joe Vitale once that struck me, even though I don&#8217;t often agree with the guy&#8217;s approach to life. He said that he spends over an hour every single day responding personally to emails, because that&#8217;s his business, those are the people who support what he&#8217;s doing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve taken that same attitude with my email and now with my blog. It&#8217;s not the only way to do things, and I support Naomi 100% in following what&#8217;s true for her. I&#8217;m just curious to see how it pans out.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Mark Silvers last blog post..<a href="http://heartofbusiness.com/wordpress/2008/10/01/why-clients-dont-buy-the-hierarchy-of-choice/" rel="nofollow">Why Clients Donâ€™t Buy- The Hierarchy of Choice</a></em></abbr></p>
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