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		<title>By: Please help asap</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/website-copy-benefits-2/comment-page-1#comment-27850</link>
		<dc:creator>Please help asap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Right now, the way your site is...getting traffic is not the main issue.  Right now, the main issue is to fix your sales page. You can have a bazillion people visit but if none buy, that&#039;s pretty useless.  Once your page is fixed, you can think about traffic.  Your sales page first needs a catchy title, something that keeps visitors ON the page to learn more. Something like:  Save your sanity and make your family life run smoother...all for less than it would cost you for a lunch for 4 at Mcdonalds!  Then you could write your sales copy that extols what your product delivers to people smart enough to buy. Website Copy with Benefits: James&#8217; Take &#124; Men With Pens [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Right now, the way your site is&#8230;getting traffic is not the main issue.  Right now, the main issue is to fix your sales page. You can have a bazillion people visit but if none buy, that&#39;s pretty useless.  Once your page is fixed, you can think about traffic.  Your sales page first needs a catchy title, something that keeps visitors ON the page to learn more. Something like:  Save your sanity and make your family life run smoother&#8230;all for less than it would cost you for a lunch for 4 at Mcdonalds!  Then you could write your sales copy that extols what your product delivers to people smart enough to buy. Website Copy with Benefits: James&#8217; Take | Men With Pens [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bamboo Forest - PunIntended</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/website-copy-benefits-2/comment-page-1#comment-25791</link>
		<dc:creator>Bamboo Forest - PunIntended</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 20:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not going to correct the above typo.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bamboo Forest - PunIntended&#180;s last blog post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://punintended.com/blog/how-to-make-the-choices-you-really-want-to-make-in-life/&quot;&gt;How to Make the Choices You Really Want to Make in Life&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not going to correct the above typo.</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Bamboo Forest &#8211; PunIntended&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://punintended.com/blog/how-to-make-the-choices-you-really-want-to-make-in-life/">How to Make the Choices You Really Want to Make in Life</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Bamboo Forest - PunIntended</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/website-copy-benefits-2/comment-page-1#comment-25790</link>
		<dc:creator>Bamboo Forest - PunIntended</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 20:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, your post comes down to once concept: Convince your prospective customer that this is what they want.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bamboo Forest - PunIntended&#180;s last blog post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://punintended.com/blog/how-to-make-the-choices-you-really-want-to-make-in-life/&quot;&gt;How to Make the Choices You Really Want to Make in Life&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, your post comes down to once concept: Convince your prospective customer that this is what they want.</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Bamboo Forest &#8211; PunIntended&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://punintended.com/blog/how-to-make-the-choices-you-really-want-to-make-in-life/">How to Make the Choices You Really Want to Make in Life</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/website-copy-benefits-2/comment-page-1#comment-25688</link>
		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry James, didn&#039;t mean to make you cry! I realised I had seen at least some of your Guns for Hire pages, however not from the link in the navigation.  I&#039;ve followed links in posts instead.

After I posted the previous comment I realised that I had to have seen at least the Drive Through Shooting page because that&#039;s where the payment method for it is.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Melinda&#180;s last blog post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://wahmbizbuilder.com/business/teleseminars/blogathon-april-2009/&quot;&gt;Free Blogathon April 2009 - Come Join Us!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry James, didn&#8217;t mean to make you cry! I realised I had seen at least some of your Guns for Hire pages, however not from the link in the navigation.  I&#8217;ve followed links in posts instead.</p>
<p>After I posted the previous comment I realised that I had to have seen at least the Drive Through Shooting page because that&#8217;s where the payment method for it is.</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Melinda&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://wahmbizbuilder.com/business/teleseminars/blogathon-april-2009/">Free Blogathon April 2009 &#8211; Come Join Us!</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/website-copy-benefits-2/comment-page-1#comment-25686</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mel - I cry. You&#039;ve never seen our &#039;Guns for Hire&#039; pages? (Makes me wonder how many other people haven&#039;t either... oy!)

@ Alex - You get one Get Out of Jail Free card. You don&#039;t have to remember what I wrote - just that we were awesome :)  And good plans. Glad I got you thinking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mel &#8211; I cry. You&#8217;ve never seen our &#8216;Guns for Hire&#8217; pages? (Makes me wonder how many other people haven&#8217;t either&#8230; oy!)</p>
<p>@ Alex &#8211; You get one Get Out of Jail Free card. You don&#8217;t have to remember what I wrote &#8211; just that we were awesome <img src='http://menwithpens.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   And good plans. Glad I got you thinking!</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/website-copy-benefits-2/comment-page-1#comment-25685</link>
		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Men With Pens has a Hire Us page?  Really?  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever looked at it!  Still hired them....  Off to look at it now.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Melinda&#180;s last blog post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://wahmbizbuilder.com/business/teleseminars/blogathon-april-2009/&quot;&gt;Free Blogathon April 2009 - Come Join Us!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men With Pens has a Hire Us page?  Really?  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever looked at it!  Still hired them&#8230;.  Off to look at it now.</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Melinda&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://wahmbizbuilder.com/business/teleseminars/blogathon-april-2009/">Free Blogathon April 2009 &#8211; Come Join Us!</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Alex Fayle &#124; Someday Syndrome</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/website-copy-benefits-2/comment-page-1#comment-25683</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Fayle &#124; Someday Syndrome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James
Just to agree with you on the no-hard-sell here.

I&#039;m sure I&#039;ve looked at your hire-us page, but I can&#039;t for the life of me recall what any of it says. I hired you because, as you know, you drew me in with an offer of assistance and then your knowledge and the testimonials cinched it.

Oh, epiphanic moment... brain now hurts - must go away and consider what just popped into my head...

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Alex Fayle &#124; Someday Syndrome&#180;s last blog post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/SomedaySyndrome/~3/7vyk-9Atj3s/&quot;&gt;Wealth is Attitude, Not Income&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James<br />
Just to agree with you on the no-hard-sell here.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ve looked at your hire-us page, but I can&#8217;t for the life of me recall what any of it says. I hired you because, as you know, you drew me in with an offer of assistance and then your knowledge and the testimonials cinched it.</p>
<p>Oh, epiphanic moment&#8230; brain now hurts &#8211; must go away and consider what just popped into my head&#8230;</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Alex Fayle | Someday Syndrome&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/SomedaySyndrome/~3/7vyk-9Atj3s/">Wealth is Attitude, Not Income</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Alex Fayle &#124; Someday Syndrome</title>
		<link>http://menwithpens.ca/website-copy-benefits-2/comment-page-1#comment-25682</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Fayle &#124; Someday Syndrome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James
You exaggerated so I decided I could do the same. Isn&#039;t that how it works? No? ;)

I&#039;m a sucker for advertising like everyone else. After all like everyone in our generation I was culturally indoctrinated, but I got a Zen instead of an iPod because it held 8 times as much for the same price. I bought an Echo instead of a hybrid because the mileage on the Echo was better. Clothes brands have never impressed me - it all depends on the way clothes are made and how I look in them. I make an effort to focus on getting past the benefits. But yeah, the picture of the hot guy wearing a pair of underwear makes me want to spend the money - however nine times out of ten I don&#039;t.

And in the ebook online world quite honestly, every time I&#039;ve bought based on the hype of benefits, I&#039;ve felt I&#039;ve wasted my money. When I&#039;ve bought solely for research purposes (checking out what others do) I haven&#039;t been disappointed because I wasn&#039;t looking for the benefit the books were promising. I was solely interested in the features.

Now, how that does affect my own products? Well, I&#039;ve loaded my services with a whole lot of practical information and opportunities to measure progress along the way. I know that others buy through benefits, so I hire you to give those benefits some sizzle, there&#039;s a damn good steak cooking away causing that sizzle.

And my forthcoming ebook? It&#039;ll be priced to something comparable in print, rather then what ebooks tend to go for. And people will be able to consult an extract to see if it&#039;s exactly what they want or not, just as Amazon now does with many of their books.

I always love these posts because you force me to think things through.

PS Escaping marketing messages is like trying to escape cultural religious conditioning. I don&#039;t consider myself a Christian, but put me in a stressful situation and I start praying to whatever/whoever might be listening. Religions and sales people rely on this indoctrination to sell to the masses. ;)

PPS In Spain they call selling pretty much any type of service based business &quot;selling smoke&quot; - they highly distrust the service industries like coaching, consulting and psychology. But when they find out I sell my coaching to English people around the world, they say &quot;oh, well you&#039;ll do well then. The English buy anything [silly] like that.&quot;

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Alex Fayle &#124; Someday Syndrome&#180;s last blog post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/SomedaySyndrome/~3/7vyk-9Atj3s/&quot;&gt;Wealth is Attitude, Not Income&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James<br />
You exaggerated so I decided I could do the same. Isn&#8217;t that how it works? No? <img src='http://menwithpens.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a sucker for advertising like everyone else. After all like everyone in our generation I was culturally indoctrinated, but I got a Zen instead of an iPod because it held 8 times as much for the same price. I bought an Echo instead of a hybrid because the mileage on the Echo was better. Clothes brands have never impressed me &#8211; it all depends on the way clothes are made and how I look in them. I make an effort to focus on getting past the benefits. But yeah, the picture of the hot guy wearing a pair of underwear makes me want to spend the money &#8211; however nine times out of ten I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>And in the ebook online world quite honestly, every time I&#8217;ve bought based on the hype of benefits, I&#8217;ve felt I&#8217;ve wasted my money. When I&#8217;ve bought solely for research purposes (checking out what others do) I haven&#8217;t been disappointed because I wasn&#8217;t looking for the benefit the books were promising. I was solely interested in the features.</p>
<p>Now, how that does affect my own products? Well, I&#8217;ve loaded my services with a whole lot of practical information and opportunities to measure progress along the way. I know that others buy through benefits, so I hire you to give those benefits some sizzle, there&#8217;s a damn good steak cooking away causing that sizzle.</p>
<p>And my forthcoming ebook? It&#8217;ll be priced to something comparable in print, rather then what ebooks tend to go for. And people will be able to consult an extract to see if it&#8217;s exactly what they want or not, just as Amazon now does with many of their books.</p>
<p>I always love these posts because you force me to think things through.</p>
<p>PS Escaping marketing messages is like trying to escape cultural religious conditioning. I don&#8217;t consider myself a Christian, but put me in a stressful situation and I start praying to whatever/whoever might be listening. Religions and sales people rely on this indoctrination to sell to the masses. <img src='http://menwithpens.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>PPS In Spain they call selling pretty much any type of service based business &#8220;selling smoke&#8221; &#8211; they highly distrust the service industries like coaching, consulting and psychology. But when they find out I sell my coaching to English people around the world, they say &#8220;oh, well you&#8217;ll do well then. The English buy anything [silly] like that.&#8221;</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Alex Fayle | Someday Syndrome&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/SomedaySyndrome/~3/7vyk-9Atj3s/">Wealth is Attitude, Not Income</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Alex - So what you&#039;re saying is that 99% of all marketing doesn&#039;t work on you?

You can say it, but I ain&#039;t believing it... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Alex &#8211; So what you&#8217;re saying is that 99% of all marketing doesn&#8217;t work on you?</p>
<p>You can say it, but I ain&#8217;t believing it&#8230; <img src='http://menwithpens.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alex Fayle &#124; Someday Syndrome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Fayle &#124; Someday Syndrome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 05:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James I know you might have been exaggerating here with this example: &lt;i&gt;Saving marriages and the lives of small children, all because of being open 24 hours. Now thatâ€™s one powerful corner store.&lt;/i&gt; but too often advertising goes to that extreme and I laugh but others seem to lap it up and then I end up agreeing with Tei that people are stupid.

A child handing his arguing parents a cookie will not suddenly solve all their problems.

A deodorant will not suddenly make pimple 12 year old boys sex magnets (to both sexes).

Buying insurance will not send your children to private school and get you a top of the line BMW.

Yet people eat all that stuff up. So while they may not be stupid, they are certainly uncritical and unthinking.

And given that my business is all about getting people to use critical thinking about their own lives, how can I not see 99% of benefits-based advertising and say &quot;bullshit!&quot;?

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Alex Fayle &#124; Someday Syndrome&#180;s last blog post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/SomedaySyndrome/~3/OxPcwWuOYtI/&quot;&gt;The Courage to Try: The Jamie Grove Interview&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James I know you might have been exaggerating here with this example: <i>Saving marriages and the lives of small children, all because of being open 24 hours. Now thatâ€™s one powerful corner store.</i> but too often advertising goes to that extreme and I laugh but others seem to lap it up and then I end up agreeing with Tei that people are stupid.</p>
<p>A child handing his arguing parents a cookie will not suddenly solve all their problems.</p>
<p>A deodorant will not suddenly make pimple 12 year old boys sex magnets (to both sexes).</p>
<p>Buying insurance will not send your children to private school and get you a top of the line BMW.</p>
<p>Yet people eat all that stuff up. So while they may not be stupid, they are certainly uncritical and unthinking.</p>
<p>And given that my business is all about getting people to use critical thinking about their own lives, how can I not see 99% of benefits-based advertising and say &#8220;bullshit!&#8221;?</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Alex Fayle | Someday Syndrome&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/SomedaySyndrome/~3/OxPcwWuOYtI/">The Courage to Try: The Jamie Grove Interview</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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